[T3] Blue Coil

Dave Hall dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk
Mon Jan 31 15:19:52 PST 2011 

Yes, brakes can gradually apply themselves if the compensation port in the
master cylinder is blocked. 

True!, but I only put it here in jest.

Dave.
UK VW Type 3&4 Club
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-----Original Message-----
From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
[mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of James
Lingenfelter
Sent: 30 January 2011 03:27
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Blue Coil

LOL. Shoot, at this point, if you guys told me it was the brakes, I'd
probably check that too. I need to get this thing on the road! I'm trying to
think what's left on the electrical/ignition side of things that hasn't been
checked; distributor? voltage regulator? Those kind of seem like long shots.
But yeah, for the first time, today it felt like a fuel issue.

On Jan 29, 2011, at 5:21 PM, Mike Fisher wrote:

> Oh, you think maybe fuel issues now?  ;-)
>
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:15 PM, James Lingenfelter 
> <jimmyandcher at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  I could see something like this being the problem. Is there an 
>> "easy" way to diagnose a carb problem of that sort, or does it mean a 
>> mandatory tearing apart of the carb? One of the many symptoms of this 
>> problem was backfiring through the passenger side carb.... does that 
>> make any sense?
>>
>> Here's a recap of what I know (or rather DON'T know) so far.
>>    1. The problem can be very intermittent, with more than a month of 
>> perfect running between the first two episodes (the car being driven 
>> daily).
>> Now it no longer seems to be intermittent; it's here to stay 
>> apparently.
>>    2. I THOUGHT it was ignition related since the worst running I've 
>> witnessed occurred on a nasty rainy day. That was the ONE time I 
>> could barely get it started.
>>   3. Until the last two episodes, it appeared to be totally random, 
>> and not temperature related in any way. It could occur after driving 
>> many miles, or it could be nearly impossible to start and run 
>> horrible from the get-go. Now the last couple of drives, I made it 
>> the exact same distance before running into trouble.
>>   4. I'm ASSUMING that I'm not experiencing more than one unrelated 
>> problems at the same time. I've had this car 7 years, and it's been a 
>> daily driver that whole time, and maintained in a way that I could 
>> hop in it and take a 2,000 mile trip at any time if need be..... in 
>> other words, this isn't something I just pulled out of a shed after 
>> 20 years of sitting, trying to work the bugs out.
>>
>> After the drive today, something is telling me fuel issue. I've had 
>> so many instances over the years of getting rust-clogged fuel 
>> filters, and today, for the first time, that's what it felt like.
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Keith Park wrote:
>>
>>> Float sticking on one side? Or maybe the needle isn't seating 
>>> properly?
>>> If your overflow hose on the tank is bad and water is getting into 
>>> the tank it could clog up your filters or carbs just as it would the 
>>> FI system.
>>>
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> Top Notch Restorations
>>> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
>>> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
>>> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
>>> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
>>> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
>>> 87 golf "Winterat"
>>> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
>>> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> James Lingenfelter
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 9:28 PM
>>> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>>> Subject: Re: [T3] Blue Coil
>>>
>>> This car is Weber 34 ICT's, no FI.
>>>
>>> Everything in the ignition system has now been checked and is ok, 
>>> except possibly the distributor itself? It's a vacuum advance. I had 
>>> one go bad years ago, but I don't recall what problems it caused.
>>>
>>> If I have time, the next thing I'll look into is the fuel pump. If 
>>> that's the problem, I've never had one behave quite like this.
>>> They've always left me stranded with no warning in the past.
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Keith Park wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, by replacing parts you may have introduced another problem 
>>>> that is masking the original, or perhaps adding to it.
>>>>
>>>> If you can work the points with a screwdriver (shock hazard, hold 
>>>> with an isolated handle) and you get consistant strong spark then 
>>>> check the inline resistors, OK?  Run it at night... no light show?  
>>>> Then your ignition is probably fine.
>>>>
>>>> Stick a fuel pressure gauge on it, that will eliminate that 
>>>> possibility if that's good.  Carefully wiggle connectors,  have you 
>>>> cleaned the trigger points?  Once warm try swapping out the head 
>>>> temp sensor with a 100 ohm resistor but I doubt that's it.  It's a 
>>>> matter of isolating things down to what is working and what is not.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have my FI FAQ?
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Results of latest test drive: Once again, I let the car idle in 
>>>> the driveway about 15 minutes, then drove about 1 mile before 
>>>> problems began; but this time the results were totally different 
>>>> than the last test drive. THIS time, instead of 2 cylinders 
>>>> suddenly shutting down and then returning 10 seconds later, I began 
>>>> to feel a gradual miss which slowly developed into violent bucking 
>>>> under throttle; but idle remained fine, whereas it wouldn't idle at 
>>>> all last time.....
>>>> EXACTLY
>>>> as if the car is not getting fuel. Fuel filters are brand new and 
>>>> clear; Fuel pump (electric) is nearly new and hasn't shown any 
>>>> signs of failure.... but from my experience with fuel pumps, it is 
>>>> still suspect.
>>>>   I am back at square one. Diagnosis between the pre-coil and post- 
>>>> coil drives are 100% different. Unfortunately at this point, I may 
>>>> have to dump the car off at a shop and let them isolate it. It's a 
>>>> daily driver, and my wife and I are short one vehicle while I 
>>>> frantically replace parts and follow various rabbit trails.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Keith Park wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, same company that makes the auto trannies too.
>>>>> The coil and condenser (capacitor) are a matched pair, as is the 
>>>>> coil and the ballast resistor if it has one.  Ill be the stock T3 
>>>>> condensor is not the match for the Borg warner coil and hence the 
>>>>> problem.  The coil itself is probably fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Top Notch Restorations
>>>>> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
>>>>> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
>>>>> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
>>>>> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
>>>>> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
>>>>> 87 golf "Winterat"
>>>>> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
>>>>> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Mark Fuhriman
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:37 AM
>>>>> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [T3] Blue Coil
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 28, 2011, Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27 Jan 2011 at 18:06, James Lingenfelter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, I just removed the now notorious "scummy black coil" from 
>>>>>>> the squareback. Some scrubbing on the side revealed it is a 
>>>>>>> "Borg Warner"
>>>>>>> coil. Don't know much about these, I'm thinking maybe they were 
>>>>>>> OEM on some American cars? Any way, there is a Bosch coil on the 
>>>>>>> car now  and it is running as I write this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know anything about B-W coils. If I remember, I'll try to 
>>>>>> ask someone tomorrow who might know something about them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I asked him today, and he never heard of B-W making coils. 
>>>>>> We agreed that they were probably made by someone else and 
>>>>>> marketed with the B-W name and we'd never seen one. Quality 
>>>>>> unknown....
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an old Borg Warner coil that I pulled off a junkyard Type 3 
>>>>> a number of years back.  I keep it around as a spare for my car.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if this is the same Borg Warner that made radio sets in 
>>>>> the early 1900s.  Anybody know (Keith)?  I have an old B-W radio 
>>>>> here that I want to get working.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> '69 Fastback
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