[T3] Toby's engine...

Mon Dec 31 18:29:55 PST 2012

Full weight flywheel.  I don't like lightened ones and he tends to listen
to me on those things...

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> Good to hear about the Crank, quite a relief!
> I hear "spun bearings" from time to time but Im always left wondering WHY?
> It really shouldn't happen unless they run dry or lose pressure... but his
> others were all OK.  Of course Toby is getting A LOT more HP out of that
> engine than that bearing would take stock, Hmmm... Flywheel lightened? I
> wonder if that couldn't have set up a harmonic that caused the eventual
> failure, or if the balance got thrown off for some reason.
>
> Still, Id think plugged oil passage first.
>
> Gotta get that Man his car back!  Not easy doing without a T3 for long....
>
> Keith
>
>
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Brian
> Fye
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:58 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Toby's engine...
>
> His crank can be turned, no problem.  I've seen bearings spin in 50 miles
> on other folks engines.  Toby's had 25k + miles on it and he abused that
> thing!  I'm going to put air to the oiling hole and see if it is clogged.
> The case was a new brazilian magnesium that Rick Taylor used.  The lifters
> are PERFECT, the cam has no wear and the rods hang within spec.  This is a
> very salvageable set up.
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Very interesting.
> >
> > But the million dollar question is... WHY?  Did something work its way
> into
> > that oil passage and block oil from that one bearing?  Or maybe did
> > something get dislodged in the oil system when Toby had things apart in
> the
> > parking lot?
> >
> > How did that #3 cylinder look?
> >
> > How many miles did Toby have on this build?
> >
> > Its good to hear that everything didn't get trashed though, although
> > stroker
> > cranks can be pricey.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > Top Notch Restorations
> > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> > 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> > 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> > 87 golf "Winterat"
> > 93 RX7 "Redstur"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> > [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Brian
> > Fye
> > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 8:45 PM
> > To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> > Subject: Re: [T3] Toby's engine...
> >
> > Alright...  Spun crank bearing!  The one that is closest to the
> flywheel...
> > the oiling hole is ovaled out with spurs/barbs/deformation.
> > The other bearings all look great, so I will pull off the spun (seized to
> > the crank) and see how badly the crank was scored.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Oh this is interesting.  Something with the #3?  One thing I noticed on
> > the
> > > Crate's engine was that despite being run out of oil, the cylinders and
> > > pistons have very little scoring on them from the event. I don't know
> if
> > > that engine ever really seized but the bearings were ground up a bit
> and
> > > the
> > > center main knocked on startup.
> > >
> > > At least the more good stuff you find the less Toby has to replace.
> > >
> > > The Plot thickens...
> > >
> > > Keith
> > >
> > >
> > > Top Notch Restorations
> > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> > > 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> > > 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> > > 87 golf "Winterat"
> > > 93 RX7 "Redstur"
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> > > [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of
> Brian
> > > Fye
> > > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 4:03 PM
> > > To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> > > Subject: [T3] Toby's engine...
> > >
> > > I am now into Toby's engine. I am down to the short block and the crank
> > > still will not turn (as suspected it wouldn't). I have removed the
> > > distributor drive gear, the oil pump, the heads, cylinders and pistons.
> > All
> > > of this shows no odd signs of breakage, or other issues that would have
> > > caused the engine to stop spinning. The oil pump drive gear has a lot
> of
> > > slop in it, but it still engages.
> > > My next step will be to loosen the case halves and see if the crank
> > starts
> > > to spin at all. If it does, it will be a bearing on the crank.
> > >
> > > Things are more interesting. I can not get the #3 barrel to release off
> > the
> > > case. The #1, 2 and 4 pistons/barrels/rods are off the shortblock, but
> #3
> > > is completel stuck for the moment. I do not know if I have a rod
> bearing
> > > locked up or if it is a crank bearing because I can't get this silly
> > thing
> > > off.
> > > I removed all the case bolts and rapped on the case with a rubber
> mallet
> > to
> > > see if I could get the crank to move at all, and still nada.
> > >
> > > My new years resolution is to have this thing apart by the time things
> > turn
> > > back into pumpkins tonight. If so, I can get back to my stuff!
> > > --
> > > Brian Fye
> > > Canyonville Christian Academy
> > > 541 839 4401 ext. 110
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Brian Fye
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