[T3] Bad day at the (FI) office

Sun Apr 3 18:41:11 PDT 2016

both my engine builders recommended the right upper end of the muffler,
they had a reason, that was 15 years ago, I forgot what it was but it
was basically that the gasses are hottest there or flow more freely or
something like that...

Been using anti seize for over 30 years, never broke a plug or stripped out
a thread with it.  simply dont overtorque the plugs, seat the gasket and
your done.  You can use oil, and that will help put them in but first run
and it will burn off, no help when removing later.  You need something that
will remain on there.

BTW, DONT USE NGK PLUGS!  breakage may be one reason but back in the
day their thread quality was suspect... Ive always used Bosch plugs.

Keith

Topnotch Restorations
topnotch at nycap.rr.com
http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
71 Squareback  "Hothe"
65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
93 RX7  "Redstur"
87 Golf  "Winterat"

-----Original Message-----
From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
On Behalf Of Daniel Nohejl
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:01 PM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Bad day at the (FI) office

I would have thought that the best compromise for the unpredictability of
what's inside a given exhaust based on manufacturer or manufacturing date
would be where I have it..at the end of the damper closest to the exit port
of the muffler itself. Unless I'm sampling one or two cylinders more than
others depending on the arrangement inside? 

I'm thinking of this interior image of a stock muffler from Russ Wolfe when
I think that my sensor location must at least be decent 

DSCF0086.jpg <http://classicvw.org/gallery2/d/3253-5/DSCF0086.jpg>

Perhaps I'll ask Phil what make of muffler he has b/c he's got the sensor in
the same place and has no issues with weird readings. 

I stopped using anti-seize after reading this a few years ago, but perhaps
oil winds up doing the same thing?

http://www.jagrepair.com/images/AutoRepairPhotos/NGK_TB-0630111antisieze.pdf

Daniel.

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Your lambda sensor is in the wrong spot.
> plugs look fine, use antiseize on the threads, not oil.
> Oil burns right off, the antiseize will remain and then you'll never
> have problems with the threads so long as you remove and install plugs
when
> its cold.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Topnotch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org
[mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> On Behalf Of Daniel Nohejl
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 6:47 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Bad day at the (FI) office
> 
> So on Friday after work, I had a minor issue in that the motor was
> bucking/skipping under hard acceleration and seemed kind of inhibited in
> general until it was warmed up. It was an unusually warm day for this time
> of year...75* if that makes any difference. 
> 
> Naturally, I looked at the stupid AFR gauge but #'s were so rich that they
> seemed impossible: between 7 and 9 whereas by most accounts I could find
> online the car should have been undrivable, belching black smoke out the
> exhaust. This got me thinking that perhaps the AFR gauge is having an
issue.
> We pulled the plugs yesterday and they were pretty clean but for #'s 1 and
> 4, both of which were half fouled and half white for some reason. If the
> motor had been so rich, the plugs would no doubt have been fouled. We have
> plenty experience of that from when we first got the car and before we
> realized it had the wrong brain in it...the plugs would be jet black
within
> minutes of idling. Anyway, here are the plugs after we pulled them
> yesterday:
> 
> http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1486226.jpg
> 
> In the end, we kept 2 and 3 and replaced 1 and 4. Of course something iffy
> happened when re-installing the plugs...After installing #2, I couldn't
> remove the socket because it kept fouling on the eyeglass tin so we had to
> back out the plug again and it came out with a bit of metal on the end!!
Not
> tons, but enough to know that something wasn't right. However, we must
> prayed to the right gods because we were ultimately able to get the plug
> back in and snugged down using another socket. This was on a stone cold
> motor and with a good amount of oil on the threaded part of the plug. I
> guess anything can happen with old heads! I fear that the next time we
> remove that plug, a bunch more threads will come out and we'll have to use
> an insert. Perhaps we should just take a nice spring weekend day to pull
the
> head and do an insert before the hole goes bad at an inconvenient time!
> 
> So, regarding the alleged richness, I tried removing the TVS and full load
> switch plugs as well as the wire from FI harness to the starter but that
had
> no effect on the AFR. I also went through all the tuneup stuff but the
> valves and everything was fine.
> 
> We're now driving with the MPS more or less back to its original position
> and no resistor on the CHTS. This has had only the slightest effect on AFR
> but now the gauge is clearly under suspicion. Weird thing was that in
> changing the MPS back, the idle AFR would lean out as expected and then
> after a few minutes of driving would go back to very rich. I'm giving very
> strong consideration to removing the AFR gauge and using other indicators
to
> evaluate how the motor is doing. 
> 
> Then, we finally got around to taking some videos of the rear end
> bounce..one from each side. The left side squeaks noticeably when pushed
on.
> I got under the car while Jessica pushed on it and the squeak seems to be
> coming from the shock. I'll have to remove the shock and see if the squeak
> goes away or not. Otherwise, the trailing arm bushings look fine and
nothing
> else looked out of order though it wasn't too comfortable or roomy under
the
> car with someone pushing on it so maybe I'll have to look again. 
> 
> 
> Right:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrW_Bkr3iHs
> 
> Left:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8i_9a_iZhI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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