[T3] Alignment

Sun Dec 11 15:58:51 PST 2016

Sounds “fun”. Other than the diagonal arm, what else under there can bend? Spring plates?

Daniel

> On Dec 11, 2016, ats6:27 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I just looked at your tire, something is BENT under there.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Topnotch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
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> 65 Notchback  “El Baja Rojo”
> 93 RX7  “Redstur”
> 87 Golf  “Winterat” RIP
> 01 Sentra SE "Boremobile"
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> On Behalf Of Daniel Nohejl
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Alignment
> 
> Ok, so I finally got around to getting the front and rear ends of the car
> measured. I brought it by a shop we’ve used in the past and they kindly did
> the measurements for free. Of course I don’t have any factory numbers to
> compare them to (if anyone finds them, I’m still interested!!) but at least
> we have a general sense of things. The front is even: from the ground to the
> top of the wheel well is 26” on both sides. The rear is a different story:
> from the ground to the top of the wheel well is 24.25” on the left and
> 23.75” on the right. Again, I don’t know what they’re supposed to be, but
> the right is clearly .5” lower than the left. If anyone recalls, the right
> rear tire looked like this:
> 
> http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1572782.jpg
> 
> Perhaps being .5” lower on the right has thrown off the camber just enough
> that the tire wore that much worse and more quickly than all the others?
> 
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Daniel Nohejl <d.nohejl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This detailed technical analysis would be interesting to see. Then, I
> could take a simple measurement and see how out of spec I am. To be fair, it
> looks like I’m even side to side but my tire wear doesn’t really support the
> fact that nothing is wrong.
>> 
>> I talked to two shops in the last few days…..VW repair places, not
> alignment shops. The first one hasn’t dealt with Type 3 suspension in many
> many years but they said they’d “take a look” if I wanted, which wasn’t very
> encouraging.  The other shop works on all kinds of ACVW’s all the time but
> they were of the opinion that even just measuring (let alone reindexing) the
> torsion arms is such a pain in the butt (and so expensive if paying them to
> do it) that it’s more worthwhile to install adjustable spring plates in the
> rear like racing and off-road folks do. That way, rear ride height and
> camber can be more or less simply adjusted. Anyone have any experience with
> adjustable spring plates?
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Dave Hall <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk
> <mailto:dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a detailed technical analysis of a 1969 Auto Fastback that was
> produced for the motor industry. 
>>> I'm away from home for a few days, but Jim, John and Bob have copies on
> CD. Maybe someone could take a look and see if a dimension is available to
> confirm factory ride height. Ground clearance might be shown eg.
>>> Dave
>>> UK VW Type 3 and 4 Club.
>>> -----------------------------
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "William J" <catnine09 at dslextreme.com
> <mailto:catnine09 at dslextreme.com>>
>>> Sent: ?25/?11/?2016 21:27
>>> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org <mailto:type3 at vwtype3.org>" <type3 at vwtype3.org
> <mailto:type3 at vwtype3.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [T3] Alignment
>>> 
>>> Isn't there anyone out there witha 69 SB that can at least measure the 
>>> height  from  say the top of the rear fender from the lip top center to
> the 
>>> floor which seems to be what Daniel is asking for .
>>> 
>>> Fingers and hands all differ and are not very precise. I have a 73 and
> know 
>>> the rear fenders are different or I'd check mine. I never checked mine
> when 
>>> I got to compare to now , who does ? Besides that when I have a load of 
>>> groceries in the back it seems like it is still the same without the load
> 
>>> yet I never checked it. Or perhaps measure the side moldings to ground at
> a 
>>> point near the rear. Isn't possible to have the ride height proper
> unloaded 
>>> yet to low with X amount of weight , it's not like the torsion bars
> aren't 
>>> weak after years and may drop more at some point than when new.
>>> 
>>> There has to be some spec out there in some book someone has, at least I 
>>> would think so.
>>> 
>>> William
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org <mailto:jadney at vwtype3.org>>
>>> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org <mailto:type3 at vwtype3.org>>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2016 5:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [T3] Alignment
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 24 Nov 2016 at 14:36, Daniel Nohejl wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Rather than just eyeing it up, is there a measurement one can take to
> see 
>>>> if the rear is sagging too low and then if it´s even side-to-side? Like
> a 
>>>> measurement from the apex of the curve of the outside of the wheel well
> to 
>>>> the ground or something?
>>> 
>>> Place your fingertips on the top of the tire. The wheel arch should
>>> be pressing gently on the back of your hand if you have stock tires.
>>> This is a bit of a judgment call, but at least it makes it easy to
>>> judge side-to-side differences.
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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