[T3] News and questions from the road

[Keith Park]

Dave is right, with a 6V car a starter relay is a must,
but finally a couple years ago the hot start problem that was very
occasional and only on very long trips with the 71 needed that to fix it.
I tried different solenoids, different starters, made sure everything was
rebuilt and lubed correctly, good ground braid, clean connections... it
irritated me to have to use a "Band aid" to fix it but fix it it did, and
its now easier on the ignition switch too.

Keith


Topnotch Restorations
topnotch at nycap.rr.com
http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
71 Squareback  "Hothe"
65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
93 RX7  "Redstur"
87 Golf  "Winterat"
 
-----Original Message-----
From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
On Behalf Of Dave Hall
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 7:47 AM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] News and questions from the road

That starter scenario is entirely normal (!); my Type 3 used to do the same
thing, as do many others. I used to energise the starter briefly straight
after stopping the engine just to shake things back to where they should be.
That worked for a few years, but the problem hasn't recurred since fitting a
hard start relay, which was actually just a Bosch relay with integral fuse
holder.  The fuse is 15 Amp if I recall - I don't think it's anything very
special. It takes the load off the ignition/starter switch contact, so
should help that survive longer than not having a relay.

Since having hot starting (starter motor not turning) issues decades ago,
first on 6V and then on 12V Type 3s, I've puzzled over what aspect of heat
soak can be behind this problem - thermal expansion, local drying out of
lubricant etc. It may be a combination of sticking armature (often
temporarily shocked into working by a tap with a hammer!), brushes not
making good enough contact with the armature (hammer trick again), sticking
gear on motor shaft (quickly shorting solenoid to battery main feed terminal
with coin as emergency technique - cleaning and lightly lubricating the
shaft does seems to help).
It only needs one or a combination of these factors to cause the problem.
That's why at the refuelling stop on the way to Boise on the first invasion,
Russ was lying under John's car using the nickel trick!

Good luck with the rest of the journey.

Dave
UK VW Type 3&4 Club
===================
 

-----Original Message-----
From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
On Behalf Of Daniel Nohejl
Sent: 12 July 2016 18:12
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] News and questions from the road

Jim, 

The car started up fine this morning without us even touching anything.
Perhaps the solenoid is sticking? Or the ignition switch is getting tired? 

I don't think the rack will fit inside the car though we can try..however,
it's exactly as wide as the car so it seems unlikely. We'll probably just
wind up leaving it with Tram or Jessica's mother and having it shipped back
after we get home. That means we're very likely stuck with it for another 1k
miles but we've already come 2k miles with it on and I think we'll survive. 

We're off to do an oil change in a windy Kmart parking lot before shopping
for incidentals ahead of traveling into Yellowstone tomorrow. It snowed here
for a little bit yesterday so we're hoping for some kinder weather!


Daniel



Snipped=====


---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

_______________________________________________
VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org