[T3] Temp sensor and MPS problems on new motor

[Ralph Tree]

There's usually been an old shop somewhere close wherever I've lived, that rebuilds starters, alternators and generators, you just have to look them up or talk to some car guys. 
Here in Ogden, Utah we have a shop called Chic armature. They rebuilt my generator for $50 and my starter for $70. They also built me a starter for my Ghia that was 12v with a 6v gear. 

My dad was using them back in the 60s I remember being in the same shop with him 50 years ago. Just a little nostalgia. If the parts weren't so heavy to ship I'd offer to facilitate any work you guys might need done, but it's probably not very cost effective.

Later,
Ralph

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> On Mar 1, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Starters arent expensive, dirt cheap really...  $60 roughly.
> Id be tempted to try a new one but these days, the rebuilds are often of
> horrible quality with the wrong parts from totally different starters
> bolted together.  Is it possible that there is still an electric motor
> rebuild shop to be found in the city?
> If Jim still rebuilds them Id go that route, or get one he's done.
> 
> I wouldnt be too critical about the AFR number spikes, Im not as familiar
> with the pressure switches but they may not be too smooth in transitioning
> the mixture to full rich, as long as its smooth running you are likely fine.
> it wasnt until the late E systems that Bosch got the transitions smoothed
> out and I think only the T3's got the E system pressure sensors.
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Topnotch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> On Behalf Of Jessica Chase
> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:21 PM
> To: type3-vwtype3.org at lists.vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Temp sensor and MPS problems on new motor
> 
> Don't worry - we don't usually run it up to 40 in 2nd, but for the purposes
> of this test (checking AFR numbers under hard acceleration), we pushed it.
> With this new fully balanced motor with a lightened flywheel, it was pretty
> easy to accelerate and keep on going. The motor didn't flinch.  The owner's
> manual says that we can safely go up to 43mph in 2nd so maybe we were just
> short of redlining it :) We've run performance Type 1 motors up to 5k rpm
> and the Type 3 at 40 in 2nd sounded not even close. 
> 
> We have a gas mileage log in the glove box that goes back 4 years. Mileage
> and fill ups are usually really regular (we drive the same route every week)
> and last week gave an anomalous 14mpg from 4 days of driving which is why I
> mentioned it. Surely, that's not good. But it's hard to keep experimenting
> right now with the starter issue. We're only comfortable driving it together
> so we can push start if necessary. Otherwise, it's just one of us needing
> the car to start 2-3 times a day without incident. 
> Relying on the kindness of strangers in The Bronx, Brooklyn, and Manhattan,
> isn't always smart so solo driving isn't in the cards right now. As stupid
> and gratuitously expensive a new starter might be, we're thinking of taking
> the plunge. Remember, we don't have a garage to let the car sit in when
> there's an issue. We have NYC streets and M/Th and T/Fri parking regulations
> to think about. 
> 
> We didn't ground wire 18 when doing our "unplug" tests yesterday. Where
> would be a good place to ground it to? What even is the true function of
> that wire?
> 
> Driving-wise, the only complaint we have is leaning out not under WOT but on
> the way up to WOT. With the AFR gauge installed we might see cruise #'s of
> 13-14 but acceleration #'s of 15-17 and then 12-14 when we assume the full
> load switch kicks in. But yesterday without the load switch connected we
> were richer under acceleration than with it connected! It's all kind of
> dizzying and without a bunch of factory graphs and values to look at, it's
> all rather vague!
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