[T3] Narrowed beam conversion

[Keith Park]

parts are commonly available, thru the samba ISP west or T3 guys,
and if properly lubed and not lowered, the T3 front end internals will
last hundreds of thousands of miles.

Keith


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-----Original Message-----
From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
On Behalf Of Robert Klein
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 10:45 AM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Narrowed beam conversion

The big question about keeping the type 3 beam is...where do you get parts
to rebuild it? It might be a better beam. But, a type 1 conversion will keep
it on the road.

Sent from the desk of Robert Klein 


On May 29, 2017, at 6:22 AM, "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:

> On 28 May 2017 at 17:09, Ray Gifford wrote:
> 
>> I am about to narrow a type 1 beam and buy the conversion kit for my
>> 65 notch. Add disc brakes. Any comments or suggestion? Things to watch
>> out for? 
> 
> I have to ask why you think this would be a good thing to do. The Type 3
is a 
> more advanced and stronger beam and you'll have to do some serious 
> cobbling to get the Type 1 beam to clamp in the Type 3 mounts. Few Type 1 
> people realize that the Type 3 front beam has an integral sway bar. Late 
> Type 1 beams came with a sway bar clamped on externally, but that goes 
> away if you narrow that beam.
> 
> Will you also have to cut away inner fender sheet metal to clear the 
> narrowed beam when turning?
> 
> It seems like a lot of trouble and expense to go to for a downgrade.
> 
> OTOH, the disk brakes would be a nice upgrade, but the easy way to do that

> would be to swap in later Type 3 steering knuckles, or just a complete
later 
> Type 3 beam. I have suitable knuckles and calipers here. And keep in mind 
> that Type 3 calipers (42 mm pistons) give you stronger brakes than Type 1 
> calipers (40 mm pistons.) That works out to about a 10% difference in 
> braking force.
> 
> While you're at it, an upgrade to a later Type 3 tandem master cylinder 
> would be a good addition. Your '65 master cylinder is not suitable for use

> with disk brakes, unless it's modified. (It has a residual pressure valve
which 
> will keep the disk brakes from releasing.)
> 
>> Also, will rear drums from a 69 T3 fit?
> 
> If you bought both the drums AND the hubs they might, but you might also 
> have to change the shoes and maybe the backing plates. I'm not sure if the

> spline section of the late hub is the same. Of course you realize that the
'65 
> came with wide-5 wheels and the '69 is 4-bolt.  
> 
> -- 
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> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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