[T3] hanger bar on 68 notchback

J L Stamey jlstamey at gmail.com
Wed Mar 11 06:46:29 PDT 2020 

She's def a 68,. Birth Cert photo, all VIN #'s match too:

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009951.jpg

automatic would be on options list so I don't think it was an auto.
Kiel Germany was destination built on 11/21/67.

odd ball late 67??

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM
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>    1. Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968
>       swingaxle notchback (David)
>    2. Re: Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968
>       swingaxle notchback (Dave Hall)
>    3. Re: Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968
>       swingaxle notchback (Dave Hall)
>    4. Re: Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968
>       swingaxle notchback (Jim Adney)
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> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 22:40:04 -0400
> From: "David" <rdavid at rochester.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968
>         swingaxle notchback
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> I never heard of a IRS hanger breaking before!
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> Unless for some reason it is rusted out, but that one certainly looks like a
> clean metal break to me.
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> Dave Pallo
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> '72 Square ~ Elwood
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> Fairport, New York
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> From: Dave Hall <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for
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> Subject: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968 swingaxle notchback
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> I never heard of a IRS hanger breaking before!
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> Unless for some reason it is rusted out, but that one certainly looks like a
> clean metal break to me.
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> Fairport, New York
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> From: "Dave Hall" <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for
>         1968 swingaxle notchback
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> I have known them break, but it was under extreme conditions when a motor
> industry research organisation in the UK tested a 1969 Auto Fastback.  The
> pav? test proved too much for the hanger and it cracked across the centre
> after a few hundred miles of tooth-shattering driving.  I think I gave CDs
> of the test report to Jim and John.  It's a very comprehensive report
> involving a complete strip-down of the car, weights for all the components
> etc, chassis stiffness tests, performance figures etc.
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> Dave,
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club.
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> Subject: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968
> swingaxle notchback
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> I never heard of a IRS hanger breaking before!
>
> Unless for some reason it is rusted out, but that one certainly looks like a
> clean metal break to me.
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> '72 Square ~ Elwood
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> Fairport, New York
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> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for
>         1968 swingaxle notchback
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> First off, your subject line says "1968 swingaxle", so I wonder how that's
> possible, since a swingaxle car would not have this crossbar. You clearly
> have the rear mount crossbar, which was only used on IRS Type 3s, so this
> can't be a swing axle car and probably isn't a '68, since the only IRS '68s
> were the very first AT Type 3s, sold only in Europe. So I'm guessing that this
> is a '69, which is almost identical to a '68, except for being IRS.
>
> Check your VIN. The 3rd digit of your VIN is the last digit of the model year.
>
> Okay, that said, I've never seen one of these break either, but this one
> clearly did. There were 2 versions of the rear mount crossbar. The early one
> has a large (~1") hole, which I think I can see just to the right of the break.
> The later one eliminated that hole. The hole was there to allow access to a
> screw head that attached the tin to a tab on the heat exchanger. I believe
> both versions were equally strong, but you should try to find one with the
> hole if you need it for that screw access. (VW changed the tin to eliminate
> the need for the hole in later years.)
>
> The rear mount crossbar is bolted to the case with two 10 mm bolts and one
> 8 mm bolt. To replace the crossbar, you'll have to remove the fan and the fan
> housing, which can be done with the engine in the car, but it's not
> straightforward. In the meantime, I agree that it's reasonable to find a shop
> that can weld the bar back together temporarily. You should check to make
> sure that the hangers that support the ends of the crossbar are not putting
> excess stress on the crossbar. Their positions are adjustable.
>
> On 9 Mar 2020 at 11:50, J L Stamey wrote:
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> > Got the car tuned up and ready to roll yesterday. On way back from gas
> > station I heard a pop and a grinding or dragging sound. Pulled over and
> > noticed right side of engine was WAY low. Looked up underneath and
> > immediately noticed the hanger bar or bracket had snapped in 2! I figured
> > while I am in there, may as well replace both sides!
> >
> > Looked around on ISP and a few other sources, all I see is IRS brackets.
> >
> > pic of the motor drooping on the right:
> > https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009130.jpg
> >
> > pic of the bracket piece I need (attaches to underside of engine area with
> > 2 large, maybe 17mm or 19mm, bolts)
> > https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg
> >
> > Anyone know how to get these and any tips or tricks to installing them?
> >
> > Many thanks!
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