[T3] Horn Issue

[Keith Park]

Sean is right, and for a while I had the bump on my head to prove it!  The electricals on the crate were untouched when I got it, and I couldn’t figure out how the Horn was supposed to ground when I took it apart but I put it together the same way and remember screaming "Oh thank God it works" when I finally tried it once things were back together!  

Keith

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From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org> On Behalf Of Sean Bartnik
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2026 1:53 PM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Horn Issue

I hate to disagree with the great Jim Adney, but in fact on early models the horn was wired to be powered with the key off.

You can see this reflected in the ’65 wiring diagram (and perhaps others, not sure what year it changed) where the power to the horn is routed through the same fuse that powers the dome light and the clock.

This did change at some point on later models.

On the early cars there is another weird quirk which is that the brake lights are not powered unless the key is on. On later cars, this was changed so that the brake lights work whether the key is on or off. I think this change was in place by ’68 but not sure exactly what year it happened.

-Sean

> On Jan 31, 2026, at 12:55, Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
> 
> On 30 Jan 2026 at 18:42, Jesse Hernandez wrote:
> 
>> I had a similar horn issue with my ~67 fastback draining the battery. 
>> The mechanic rewired the horn to the ignition switch so I can only 
>> honk when the ignition is on.  That was in lieu of disassembling the 
>> steering column.  No battery drain, but in hindsight perhaps not the best idea.
> 
> I agree that bypassing the problem was a poor solution, but your 
> message highlighted the elephant in the room that none of us had noticed.
> 
> The horn should NOT be powered when the key is OFF.
> 
> I have to admit that  I'm not really famailiar with our wiring before 
> 1968, but I'm pretty sure that VW never would have left power to the 
> horn with the key OFF. There aren't many things that might need power with the key OFF:
> parking lights (maybe), side marker lights (maybe), radio (maybe). The 
> only one that I can think of that really needs full time power is the 
> clock. The horn would be a definite NO in my mind.
> 
> So your mechanic did at least half of the job correctly, by moving the 
> horn to a switched fuse.
> 
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> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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