<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"><Take it from my personal experience, don’t even BOTHER doing a T4 conversion</span><br clear="none" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"><without going to a 2L or bigger, its an ENORMOUS amount of work and a HUGE</span><br clear="none" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"><Increase in cost for any build or maintenance, its VERY hard to get some T4</span><br clear="none" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"><span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"><parts.</span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>These statements confuse me a bit. I have never heard anyone complain about the conversion. I have only ever heard praises. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>I already have one part of it covered; 2.0 or bigger. The engine I am sourcing is a 1.8 bottom end with a 2.0 top end. Builders like the 1.8 bottom because it is more robust. And the 2.0 top gives it the power it needs. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color:
transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>As far as cooling, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard say that they could not get one cooled. What did you do to get cooling on yours?</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>The bellows conversion that I am using has worked for a few different people. It allows the type 4 to cool just like a type 3. People over at the shop talk forums sing the praises of the type 4 in a Square. Nate himself stated in his build thread:</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 13px; font-family: monospace; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>"<span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239);">Engine temps below 60mph seem to hover around 325-350F CHT and around 190-200F oil temp. Above at 70-80+ and in hard driving it can push 350-400F CHT and 205-225F oil temp. "</span></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(239, 239, 239); font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial,
Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">That is a pretty nice set of numbers if you ask me.</span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">As far as an "enormous amount of work", all you have to do is the bellows modification, modify a bus mustache bar to fit in the type 3 hanger or modify the hanger to work with a bus mustache bar, cut down some manifolds to make the
Dellorto's fit under the lid, mount up some bus heater boxes and exhaust and swap to the correct type 4 flex plate. </span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">I may have cut a lot of the work out because I have an automatic in my Squareback. Most of the complaints I have seen is getting the right clutch and pressure plate to work between type 3 standards and type 4 engines. All I have to do is get a type 4 flex plate. It is a direct bolt in
because of the fact that type 3 and 4 used the same torque converter and automatic transmission.</span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">I am also lucky in the fact that I work for a manufacturing company that is proficient in welding and fabricating. This way I can take advantage of those with the skills I don't possess at a fraction of the cost. Always nice when you have laser cutting, tig and mig welding and a full array of equipment to help you
along the way.</span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;"><br></span></font></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">I do have a few things to figure out still. I have to get the alternator wiring sorted out with a Type 2 voltage regulator. I have to decided on mechanical or electric fuel pump. I am also still on the fence as to what distributor I want to run. It is nice that I have plenty of time to figure this all out. I am also looking forward to having something that looks stock from the outside and is
anything but stock under the hood. And not having to push it up the mountain passes will be nice too. ;)<br clear="none"></span></font><br clear="none" style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 13px;"></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal; font-size: 12px; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Adam</div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, February 3, 2014 5:19 PM, Keith Park <topnotch@nycap.rr.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container">Take it from my personal experience, don’t even BOTHER doing a T4 conversion<br clear="none">without going to a
2L or bigger, its an ENORMOUS amount of work and a HUGE<br clear="none">Increase in cost for any build or maintenance, its VERY hard to get some T4<br clear="none">parts.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It’s a huge job just getting the T4 motor all fitted in there!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ive got a 2056 sitting in my garage because I converted back to the T3 5<br clear="none">years ago... I may try it again but I would never go down this road from<br clear="none">that start again... and T4 engines will not pull enough cooling air thru<br clear="none">the T3 intake system on the Squares and Fasty's.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Keith<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Top Notch Restorations<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a> <br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm</a><br clear="none">71 Squareback "Hothe"<br clear="none">65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br clear="none">65 Squareback "Eggcrate"<br clear="none">87 golf "Winterat"<br clear="none">93 RX7 "Redstur"<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yqt7629543734" id="yqtfd89243"><br clear="none">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">[mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>] On Behalf Of Adam<br clear="none">Douglass<br clear="none">Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:52 AM<br clear="none">To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org"
href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">Subject: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)<br clear="none"><br clear="none">After considering a full FI system for my Squareback, and realizing that I<br clear="none">not longer had the right heads, I have decided to part with the engine. I am<br clear="none">in the process of purchasing a 1.8, 914, type 4 to put in its place.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Because of this I will be selling the engine in my car compete minus the fan<br clear="none">shroud. I will need the shroud for the type 4 conversion.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">If you are interested, please follow the link to my ad on The Samba. All<br clear="none">information and pictures are in the ad. I will have youTube videos uploaded<br clear="none">later this afternoon of cold start and idle. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect"
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