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<div>On the old R12 systems, <span style="font-family:"Times New Roman"; font-size:large; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Installation of barrier style hoses (necessary with</span><b style="font-family:"Times New Roman"; font-size:large; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">all</b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman"; font-size:large; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> non-R12
refrigerants, because the other molecules are much smaller and will permeate through the older nitrile hose material). An industry is springing up in "rehosing" existing hoses with new hose material that has a nylon barrier." </span>
<div><span dir="auto" style="font-family:"Times New Roman"; font-size:large; background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">They also had over pressure relief valves that vented to the atmosphere. New system have high pressure turn off switches.</span></div>
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From: Brion Sabbatino <brionsab@msn.com> <br>
Date: 7/2/16 10:57 PM (GMT-07:00) <br>
To: type3 <type3@vwtype3.org> <br>
Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning <br>
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<div class="PlainText">Keith, something, if memory serves me correctly, stated that the hoses lost refrigerate, albeit at a very slow rate. I always wondered if it was because of the long hose runs. I certainly could be incorrect. I am going to have to go back
and research this now.<br>
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Brion S<br>
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From: Keith Park <topnotch@nycap.rr.com><br>
Date: 7/2/16 8:26 PM (GMT-07:00)<br>
To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
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Huh? a properly working R12 system never needed recharging,<br>
they werent supposed to leak.<br>
<br>
Keith<br>
<br>
<br>
Topnotch Restorations<br>
topnotch@nycap.rr.com<br>
<a href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm</a><br>
71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
87 Golf "Winterat"<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: type3-vwtype3.org [<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Brion Sabbatino<br>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 11:21 PM<br>
To: type3<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
<br>
I forgot to mention one other thing.<br>
<br>
The original AC hose were designed to bleed refrigerate pressure out to the<br>
atmosphere. R12.<br>
<br>
In reality, a new R134 system would need to be designed that is completely<br>
closed.<br>
<br>
The components could be sized correctly.<br>
<br>
<br>
-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Keith Park <topnotch@nycap.rr.com><br>
Date: 7/1/16 9:06 PM (GMT-07:00)<br>
To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
<br>
yea, Im not sure I can go thru with it. Here in NY I really dont NEED<br>
the AC all that much but with the humidity, sometimes it would be OH so<br>
Nice!<br>
<br>
Keith<br>
<br>
<br>
Topnotch Restorations<br>
topnotch@nycap.rr.com<br>
<a href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm</a><br>
71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
87 Golf "Winterat"<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: type3-vwtype3.org [<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Brion Sabbatino<br>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:44 PM<br>
To: type3<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
<br>
Just keep on mind that the T4 was used in the Bus, 1976 912, and the 914.<br>
<br>
In each of those installations, the AC robbed HP, and put additional stain<br>
on the engine.<br>
<br>
I have a complete set up for the 914. I just can't go through with cutting<br>
holes in a rust free body. And yes AC would be nice in the desert.<br>
<br>
When did we get so spoiled that we always desire AC?<br>
<br>
Even at 100 plus degrees, there is something about cruising with the windows<br>
down with the warm breeze flowing through.<br>
<br>
On a side note. I was really disappointed not to been able to attend the<br>
Invasion. I really wanted to meet you all. Only five hours from Zion NP, my<br>
home.<br>
<br>
The Navy called and had some issues that I needed to attend to.<br>
<br>
Brion S<br>
S. Utah<br>
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-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Keith Park <topnotch@nycap.rr.com><br>
Date: 7/1/16 7:17 PM (GMT-07:00)<br>
To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
<br>
Hmmm, T4, take lots of pix, T4 going back into my square at some point,<br>
that opens up possibilities.. :-)<br>
Got a sizable load on the trailer to haul to the camp tomorrow, hope that<br>
old stocker holds out but at some point.. T4 going back in!<br>
course I still dont want all those holes...<br>
<br>
<br>
Keith<br>
<br>
<br>
Topnotch Restorations<br>
topnotch@nycap.rr.com<br>
<a href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm</a><br>
71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
87 Golf "Winterat"<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: type3-vwtype3.org [<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
On Behalf Of Brent Botolfson<br>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 2:37 AM<br>
To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
<br>
I've had a couple replies and think I've found one, thanks.<br>
<br>
Yes, R134 conversion and all new components to be used, really only the<br>
evaporator is what I plan to reuse. And the compressor will be fitted<br>
to a 2.3L Type 4...<br>
<br>
-Brent<br>
<br>
> Graham Thomas <<a href="mailto:lithiumbomb@gmail.com">mailto:lithiumbomb@gmail.com</a>><br>
> Friday, July 01, 2016 4:46 AM<br>
> Coming out of lurk mode (Sold my car in 1995... )<br>
><br>
> My '69 Squareback originally had A/C, but it had been removed by the<br>
> previous owner. There was a hole in the front bulkhead, holes in the fan<br>
> shroud, and visibly, holes in the front fenders:<br>
><br>
><br>
<a href="http://gtf.org/~lithium/car/squareback/lastpics/images/squareback8.1024.jpg">http://gtf.org/~lithium/car/squareback/lastpics/images/squareback8.1024.jpg</a><br>
><br>
> During the time I owned the car I only saw one other pre-facelift Type 3<br>
> with grills in the fenders like that. I guess there was once a condenser<br>
> hiding behind one of them.<br>
><br>
> Graham<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: type3-vwtype3.org<br>
> [<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Keith Park<br>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 9:21 PM<br>
> To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
><br>
> What Jim said, AND, you'll have to have all new hoses made and convert it<br>
> over to R134<br>
><br>
> Keith<br>
><br>
><br>
> Topnotch Restorations<br>
> topnotch@nycap.rr.com<br>
> <a href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm</a><br>
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
> 87 Golf "Winterat"<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: type3-vwtype3.org<br>
> [<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Jim Adney<br>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:00 AM<br>
> To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
><br>
><br>
> If you're trying to replace one that's broken, try thesamba.com, but I<br>
> really can't recommend installing these on our cars. It's too hard on the<br>
> engine, makes future service under the dash impossible, and requires<br>
> cutting<br>
> holes in the body that are better left intact.<br>
><br>
> The AC was never a factory item and was always aftermarket and dealer<br>
> installed. I hate to see cars cut up to install it.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> *******************************<br>
> Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br>
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> Keith Park <<a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>><br>
> Friday, July 01, 2016 4:21 AM<br>
> What Jim said, AND, you'll have to have all new hoses made and convert it<br>
> over to R134<br>
><br>
> Keith<br>
><br>
><br>
> Topnotch Restorations<br>
> topnotch@nycap.rr.com<br>
> <a href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm</a><br>
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
> 87 Golf "Winterat"<br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: type3-vwtype3.org<br>
> [<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Jim Adney<br>
> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:00 AM<br>
> To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Air Conditioning<br>
><br>
><br>
> If you're trying to replace one that's broken, try thesamba.com, but<br>
> I really can't recommend installing these on our cars. It's too hard<br>
> on the engine, makes future service under the dash impossible, and<br>
> requires cutting holes in the body that are better left intact.<br>
><br>
> The AC was never a factory item and was always aftermarket and dealer<br>
> installed. I hate to see cars cut up to install it.<br>
><br>
> Jim Adney <<a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
> Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:59 PM<br>
><br>
> If you're trying to replace one that's broken, try thesamba.com, but<br>
> I really can't recommend installing these on our cars. It's too hard<br>
> on the engine, makes future service under the dash impossible, and<br>
> requires cutting holes in the body that are better left intact.<br>
><br>
> The AC was never a factory item and was always aftermarket and dealer<br>
> installed. I hate to see cars cut up to install it.<br>
><br>
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