<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I found that Bob responded to me b/c I was using a work computer and had to go to the archive to see if I had a response. Then, I logged into gmail and found Bob’s message in my spam folder with this notification <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1597117.jpg" class="">http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1597117.jpg</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Then, I added Bob to my contacts and his message showed up in my inbox. It was roundabout, but it worked. Hopefully, his messages will go straight to my inbox in the future. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Anyway…..as to the ECU….If plugging in a new one started the the engine up and got me home and plugging, unplugging, and re-plugging the old one only produced (or re-produced) a no-start situation, how could it not be an ECU issue? I know the ECU is supposed to be “bullet proof”, but I sent Jim a bunch (5 IIRC) of ECU’s with issues ranging from “won’t start the motor” to “doesn’t ground the fuel pump” and only one was fixable. The ECU I removed today was one I bought from Jim and installed in July and now it seems to have “died” which leaves us with one backup ECU and that’s one that Jim repaired so that it would ground the fuel pump relay. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I know people drive their FI cars every now and again and even in bursts of many thousands of miles every two years for the Invasion and etc., but I wonder if us driving our car in 4 seasons (with temps ranging from below 0 to over 100) has exposed a limitation in the electrical parts. We’ve put over 21k miles on our car in the last year in 4 season driving if that matters. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Daniel</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 17, 2017, at 7:53 PM, <a href="mailto:Bobsnotch@aol.com" class="">Bobsnotch@aol.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">***********************************<br class="">When replying, please consider trimming your message. Thanks! :)<br class="">***********************************<br class=""><br class="">In a message dated 1/17/2017 7:12:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, <br class=""><a href="mailto:d.nohejl@gmail.com" class="">d.nohejl@gmail.com</a> writes:<br class=""><br class="">***********************************<br class="">When replying, please consider trimming your message. Thanks! :)<br class="">***********************************<br class=""><br class="">O, boy, what a mess!<br class=""><br class="">Car started fine this morning but idled very roughly when cold. I made a <br class="">note to myself to adjust idle and timing after work in case changing the AAR <br class="">adjustment threw off the idle speed. I figured that was possible depending <br class="">on where the AAR was set when I last did the idle. <br class=""><br class="">After getting off the highway on the way to work, the motor stalled every <br class="">time I took my foot off the gas but for one time when the idle stayed <br class="">steady. After work, it took five tries to start the car. Very unusual as it <br class="">always starts on the first or second try. I pulled out of the parking lot and <br class="">stalled. I then proceeded to stall every single time I let my foot off the <br class="">gas but it drove perfectly well on the highway. I got close to home and <br class="">stalled at a light. This time it wouldn’t start. It caught on one or two <br class="">occasions but wouldn’t fully fire up. Then, it’d crank and crank but nothing <br class="">else. Of course it started pouring rain after a few minutes…..<br class=""><br class="">Anyway, I checked the following partly by myself and partly once Jessica <br class="">showed up (the benefit of breaking down only 2 miles from home)…the list isn’<br class="">t in sequence:<br class=""><br class="">—fuel pump relay clicked and pump primed when key was turned<br class="">—FI power relay clicked when key was turned<br class="">—MPS sensor plug wasn’t loose<br class="">—all injector plugs were secure<br class="">—trigger points connector was secure<br class="">—injector grounds and ECU ground at case center line all secure<br class="">—wires to generator were secure<br class="">—12V to black/white wires from FI ground to T2 connector and 12V from T2 <br class="">connector to ECU<br class="">—resistance of both temp sensors was fine<br class="">—dwell was ok and everything in the distributor looked fine<br class="">—12V to coil<br class="">—took out the ECU and verified that the plug wasn’t loose<br class=""><br class="">It was pouring out and I was staring at the ECU laying there in the cargo <br class="">area and decided to take the plunge b/c Jessica showed up with one of our <br class="">spare ECU’s. I plugged it in and the motor fired right up. Just to confirm I <br class="">wasn’t hallucinating, I tried the ECU I had just removed. No start. Tried <br class="">pressing on the harness in case it was loose on the card edge. No start. <br class="">Put in the spare ECU and it fired right up again and I drove home without any <br class=""> problems!!<br class=""><br class="">So all along my "intermittent warm idle lope" was the ECU taking a dump <br class="">until it finally died?!?! Is that even a thing??<br class="">Well, I don't know if it's a sign of a dieing ECU, but it certainly sounds <br class="">like it's possible. At least having a spare ECU to put in and get the home <br class="">helped. I guess you'd have to try the replacement ECU for a couple of days <br class="">to know for sure.<br class=""><br class="">Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof<br class="">-------------- next part --------------<br class="">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br class="">URL: <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20170117/1cbf6b44/attachment.htm" class="">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20170117/1cbf6b44/attachment.htm</a>><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""><a href="http://VWType3.Org" class="">VWType3.Org</a> mailing list - <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" class="">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br class="">To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br class=""><a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" class="">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br class="">If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>