<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_24733" dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25541">Thanks for advice about slightly releasing the key to prevent Hard Starting...that doesn't seem to account for why the hard starting goes to Easy Starting when a Jumper Box is hooked to battery....and that's even when the car battery checks out as Good.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25397"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25542">PS: Yesterday, not too cold out...car was at first resistant...cranking a bit...then starting... BUT with a nice solid mid-range backfire. That must be a clue to something. Perhaps fuel related?<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25368"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25369">Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1520836850.81759.1487409288740@mail.yahoo.com" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25026">1520836850.81759.1487409288740@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25027">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25028"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25029">Greetings from Switzerland.<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25030"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25031">Have you tried releasing the Ignition Key slightly when cranking the engine over ?<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25032"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25033">It
is very common on old VWs for the Ignition Switch to be worn, so that
when the Key is held in the position for cranking the engine over to
start, the Ignition Contact is no longer made. Release the Key slightly
and it starts ! That may not be the fault with yours but I have owned
411, 412 and Type 3s where that was the case.<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25034"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25035">Regards,<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25036"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25037">Steve<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25038">--------------------------------------------<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25039">On Fri, 2/17/17, <a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25040">type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org</a> <<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25041">type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org</a>> wrote:<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25042"><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25043"> Subject: type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 77, Issue 12<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25044"> To: <a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25045">type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25046"> Date: Friday, February 17, 2017, 9:48 PM<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25047"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25048"> Send type3-vwtype3.org mailing list<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25049"> submissions to<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25050"> ??? <a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25051">type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25052"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25053"> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25054"> ??? <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25055">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25056"> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25057"> to<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25058"> ??? <a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25059">type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25060"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25061"> You can reach the person managing the list at<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25062"> ??? <a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25063">type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25064"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25065"> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25066"> specific<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25067"> than "Re: Contents of type3-vwtype3.org digest..."<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25068"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25069"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25070"> ***********************************<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25071"> When replying to the digest, please remember to trim your<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25072"> message. 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Hard Starting (J. Jonik)<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25091"> ???2. Re: Hard Starting (Sean Bartnik)<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25092"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25093"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25094"> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25095"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25096"> Message: 1<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25097"> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 20:09:42 +0000 (UTC)<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25098"> From: "J. Jonik" <<a href="mailto:j_jonik@yahoo.com" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25099">j_jonik@yahoo.com</a>><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25100"> To: "<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25101">type3@vwtype3.org</a>"<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25102"> <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25103">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25104"> Subject: [T3] Hard Starting<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25105"> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:679336276.1560891.1487362182294@mail.yahoo.com" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25106">679336276.1560891.1487362182294@mail.yahoo.com</a>><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25107"> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25108"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25109"> Re/ 71 T-2 Std.?? It's been cold out so maybe some starting<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25110"> problems happen...but, my battery checks out Good at the<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25111"> Auto Shop.- Once when start attempt got weaker and weaker, a<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25112"> neighbor loaned me his Jump Start thing and car started<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25113"> right up.- Went home and put battery on overnight<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25114"> charge...even though my gravity tester thing showed all<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25115"> cells right up to the top.? Started good in the<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25116"> morning...with warm battery anyway.- Later that day starting<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25117"> got a little sticky again...cranked, cranked, then started.<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25118"> That's when I went to get battery checked at an auto store.?<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25119"> Battery good.- Next day...hard to start again...but it did.<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25120"> So....question is, can there be something funny in the car<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25121"> itself that's maybe weakening the battery after sitting<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25122"> overnight or even for maybe five hours in daytime???? Any<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25123"> way to test for some little juice drainage when car (and<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25124"> radio and everything) is off?<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25125"> Does success of the Jumper Box tell us that the starter's<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25126"> ok?<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25127"> Didn't yet put in new clean fuel filter.?? Does that have<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25128"> bearing on the case?<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25129"> -------------- next part --------------<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25130"> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25131"> URL: <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20170217/868eb728/attachment.htm" target="_blank" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25132">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20170217/868eb728/attachment.htm</a>><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25133"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25134"> ------------------------------<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25135"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25136"> Message: 2<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25137"> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 15:17:49 -0500<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25138"> From: Sean Bartnik <<a href="mailto:sjbartnik@mac.com" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25139">sjbartnik@mac.com</a>><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25140"> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25141">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25142"> Subject: Re: [T3] Hard Starting<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25143"> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:8C102C4E-F9A9-47BD-AF52-B24A5116D6FA@mac.com" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25144">8C102C4E-F9A9-47BD-AF52-B24A5116D6FA@mac.com</a>><br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25145"> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25146"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25147"> To test for a parasitic drain:<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25148"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25149"> Disconnect negative battery terminal from battery. Connect<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25150"> your multimeter in series between the negative battery cable<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25151"> and the negative battery post. Make sure you connect the<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25152"> leads to the meter properly, there's usually a separate jack<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25153"> for current measurements. <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25154"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25155"> Get in the car, close the doors, make sure everything<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25156"> electrical is turned off, then turn your meter on and<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25157"> measure the current. Start with A and switch the range to mA<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25158"> if the results are low enough. <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25159"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25160"> Report back your reading. <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25161"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25162"> Note, do not turn ignition on or try to start car or turn on<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25163"> any large electrical consumers while doing this test. Most<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25164"> meters have an internal 10A fuse, if you try turning<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25165"> something on you can blow your meter. <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25166"> <br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25167"> Also what is the voltage reading across the battery<br id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1487462263792_25168"> terminals just prior to one of these hard starts?</div></div></body></html>