<div dir="ltr">Tram told me to Always buy Premium gasoline. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Keith Park <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" target="_blank">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">OVer the years Ive had to significantly richen the mixture on my Square<br>
because of the modern gas, but yea... you really have to know what your<br>
doing to adjust the FI. With stepped heads and flat tops, I can run 87 in<br>
town but not on the highway in the warmer weather.<br>
<span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
Keith<br>
<br>
<br>
Topnotch Restorations<br>
<a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a><br>
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71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
95 Chrysler Cirrus Lxi "Cirstallsalot"<br>
<br>
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</span><span class="im HOEnZb">Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 2:01 PM<br>
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</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Subject: Re: [T3] <a href="http://type3-vwtype3.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">type3-vwtype3.org</a> Digest, Vol 87, Issue 11<br>
<br>
There is no pure gasoline here. As far as I know it's all 10% Ethonal .<br>
<br>
I thought it was odd that it pinged all of a sudden ,one day it didn't and<br>
the next day it did. My first thought was the fuel and then the time it sits<br>
<br>
in the tank. I filled up on Aug 1st then it was summer blend then added 4<br>
gallons a few weeks back . It didn't ping right away and I really didn't<br>
count the days then I addded 3 gallons of 89 octane before I changed the<br>
Dist. It stopped pinging .<br>
<br>
The issue with the idle has been going on for years . Sometimes it seens to<br>
<br>
run fine and others not . It started this in 2009 . I wasn't paying<br>
attention to fuel yet if I recall the ethonal was only 6 % before 2009. It's<br>
<br>
next to impossible to find any info on the fuel sold .<br>
<br>
On FI you can't really tune around it . The only way is adjusting the MPS .<br>
<br>
People who run carbs re jet . The only way to know is everytime an engine<br>
begins to run bad you would need to have someone at a smog station check<br>
then you adjust what you can and pay to check it again.<br>
<br>
My opinion , they don't realy care about people with old cars there's not<br>
that many of them and even some fairly new cars 5 or 6 years old have engine<br>
<br>
issues with 10% with the fuel doing damage to the fuel system . I only know<br>
because of searching the internet. It's just like the engine oil that<br>
without additives can ruin flat tappet cams .<br>
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> What fuel are you using, is it a methanol blend, If so I would suggest<br>
> trying it on Pure Gasoline and see if there is a difference, there is a<br>
> possibility the methanol is evaporating off and causing a difference in<br>
> the<br>
> initial fuel mixture that is causing the Ping. this would also account for<br>
> the differences in idle speed,<br>
> Regards<br>
> Nigel<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 5:24 AM, <<br>
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>> 1. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
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>> 2. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging . (William J)<br>
>> 3. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging . (William J)<br>
>> 4. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging . (Keith Park)<br>
>> 5. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging . (William J)<br>
>> 6. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected auto trans pinging<br>
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>> 7. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected auto trans pinging (Jim Adney)<br>
>> 8. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected auto trans pinging (William J)<br>
>> 9. Re: On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> (<a href="mailto:Bobsnotch@aol.com">Bobsnotch@aol.com</a>)<br>
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>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:44:28 -0500<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:Bobsnotch@aol.com">Bobsnotch@aol.com</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3db069.2312f6a4.475dc14c@aol.com">3db069.2312f6a4.475dc14c@aol.<wbr>com</a>><br>
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>> In a message dated 12/9/2017 2:28:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,<br>
>> <a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a> writes:<br>
>><br>
>> What it does now is<br>
>> start and run at 950 and basically holds that even in drive only with a<br>
>> short drop when I shift it into drive or reverse and once warm the idle<br>
>> drops to 850 and seems to remain there in drive then in park rises to<br>
>> 950.<br>
>><br>
>> I only bring this up not to debate what percentage the air temp sensor<br>
>> richens the mix only because doing this changes the way it runs so much<br>
>> .<br>
>> I<br>
>> have read this was an old techs trick on Rennlist I think.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> The 100 rpm drop from park/neutral is normal for an AT car. This is<br>
>> because<br>
>> of the torque converter loading up to move the vehicle.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm beginning to think that maybe you might need to ballast the head temp<br>
>> sensor. If it drops too low in resistance, the ECU will continue to lean<br>
>> out<br>
>> the mix. This might be what you're seeing.<br>
>><br>
>> Bob 65 Notch w/Factory Sunroof converted to IRS<br>
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>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:51:47 -0800<br>
>> From: "William J" <<a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
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>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 2:44 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > In a message dated 12/9/2017 2:28:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a> writes:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > What it does now is<br>
>> > start and run at 950 and basically holds that even in drive only with<br>
>> > a<br>
>> > short drop when I shift it into drive or reverse and once warm the<br>
>> > idle<br>
>> > drops to 850 and seems to remain there in drive then in park rises to<br>
>> > 950.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I only bring this up not to debate what percentage the air temp sensor<br>
>> > richens the mix only because doing this changes the way it runs so<br>
>> > much<br>
>> .<br>
>> > I<br>
>> > have read this was an old techs trick on Rennlist I think.<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > The 100 rpm drop from park/neutral is normal for an AT car. This is<br>
>> > because<br>
>> > of the torque converter loading up to move the vehicle.<br>
>><br>
>> Yes that I agree is normal .<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I'm beginning to think that maybe you might need to ballast the head<br>
>> > temp<br>
>> > sensor. If it drops too low in resistance, the ECU will continue to<br>
>> > lean<br>
>> > out<br>
>> > the mix. This might be what you're seeing.<br>
>><br>
>> I did try a 250 ohm resistor a few times yet for some reason it didn't<br>
>> help<br>
>> . It starts out at 27K ohms cold and last I checked , been a while it<br>
>> dropped to 70 ohm hot.<br>
>><br>
>> I didn't see a change until I had over 500 ohms then it acted like it<br>
>> does<br>
>> now only with the air temp sensor plugged in. It's only a matter of 2<br>
>> minutes from a cold engine when the missing begins I can't say if the<br>
>> head<br>
>> temp sensor heats up that fast. I haven't gone to the extent of removing<br>
>> the<br>
>> sensor and heating it in oil to see at what temps it reads what ohm value<br>
<br>
>> .<br>
>> >From what 've read the reason the engine will not start with it<br>
>> >unplugged<br>
>> is<br>
>> because it causes an over rich condition it seems to indicate the ECU<br>
>> needs<br>
>> to see resistance at all times. I just know it will not start or run with<br>
>> it<br>
>> unplugged. I have pots that I can dial in any where from 0 to 1 K ohm and<br>
>> dial in 70 ohm to see what it does yet no way of reading actual head<br>
>> temp.<br>
>> Seems all the HTS now are the same part number and are used to cover all<br>
>> applications even though there were different ones for bus and T4 and<br>
>> T3's<br>
>> .<br>
>><br>
>> Rays theory is 70 ohm is below the window of the ECU to read. I'm not<br>
>> sure<br>
>> if this is general info or applies to type 4 .<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Bob 65 Notch w/Factory Sunroof converted to IRS<br>
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>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 15:57:16 -0800<br>
>> From: "William J" <<a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
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>> If I could call someone with this cell phone and have them listen to the<br>
>> change with the sensor in and out of the system it would be impossible to<br>
>> miss.<br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "William J" <<a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 11:28 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > I think it's possible and even probable .<br>
>> ><br>
>> > There is just one detail I wanted to add. I just want to stress one<br>
>> point.<br>
>> > I don't recall if I brought this up about when I start the car cold<br>
>> > well<br>
>> > before the ping thing . The AAR would be open , the idle would be set<br>
>> > at<br>
>> > 950 , in a minute the idle would rise to 1500 RPM and once in reverse<br>
>> drop<br>
>> > back down . As soon as I placed it back in park it would hang at 1500<br>
>> > for<br>
>> > a while. And not to dwell on the unplugged air temp sensor . I just<br>
>> > drove<br>
>> > it today and last Thursday with the sensor un plugged and it no longer<br>
>> > does this. From what I understand The AAR is only to allow air to<br>
>> > bypass<br>
>> > the closed throttle plate and the MPS senses this adding more fuel .<br>
>> > It's<br>
>> > not supposed to increase the RPM that much perhaps a bit yet not 550<br>
>> RPM's<br>
>> > higher than the set base idle . Since it rises so much it in fact<br>
>> advances<br>
>> > the timing which it will because of the RPM increase . What it does now<br>
>> is<br>
>> > start and run at 950 and basically holds that even in drive only with a<br>
>> > short drop when I shift it into drive or reverse and once warm the idle<br>
>> > drops to 850 and seems to remain there in drive then in park rises to<br>
>> 950.<br>
>> > About a year ago it would have the 1500 RPM right away and if I let it<br>
>> > idle it would stay there for a good 15 to 20 minutes then drop to the<br>
>> > 950<br>
>> > and begin the erratic miss.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I only bring this up not to debate what percentage the air temp sensor<br>
>> > richens the mix only because doing this changes the way it runs so much<br>
<br>
>> > .<br>
>> > I have read this was an old techs trick on Rennlist I think . On the<br>
>> other<br>
>> > end and only by a few people on Samba I am told to adjust the MPS . My<br>
>> > thinking is not to mess with the MPS I feel it just work as is . It<br>
>> > does<br>
>> > not leak and the 2 readings 90 ohm and 350 ohms are when they should<br>
>> > be<br>
>> > and it's the proper one for my E system..<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I do agree with a long drive yet based just on what the sensor does and<br>
>> > it's not just the idle that smooths out it runs better as I drive it.<br>
>> Once<br>
>> > I pulled the Dist that was sticking and installed the AH and timed it<br>
>> > it<br>
>> > lost a bit of pickup that came back with the sensor unplugged. I<br>
>> > imagine<br>
>> > there is some difference between the two distibutors advanc curve. Yet<br>
>> > this did not fix the erratic miss that remained the same.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Do I look for a vacuum leak?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I am just trying to find out why this is. I'd rather run rich than lean<br>
>> > for obvious reasons.<br>
>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> > From: "Jim Adney" <<a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> > To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 5:10 AM<br>
>> > Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> On 9 Dec 2017 at 11:18, Dave Hall wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> I wonder if all this is the car's way of asking you to take it for a<br>
>> >>> good<br>
>> >>> drive. Unless I'm mixing up two listees, this car isn't driven very<br>
>> far<br>
>> >>> at<br>
>> >>> all.<br>
>> >>> I've certainly heard of VW dealers resorting to a good brisk drive in<br>
<br>
>> >>> a<br>
>> >>> 'grumbling' car that does minimal mileage, just to clear out the<br>
>> 'soot'.<br>
>> >>> Now the advance is working better, maybe that's worth trying?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Yes, I'll second that. William has said he never gets the car above 45<br>
>> >> mi/hr,<br>
>> >> so let's see what a couple hours at 65-70 does.<br>
>> >><br>
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>> Message: 4<br>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:55:33 -0500<br>
>> From: "Keith Park" <<a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
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>> These cars LOVE highway miles, about 85% of the 160K on my<br>
>> Square is highway miles. Take it out, use it a bit at speed<br>
>> alot could straighten itself out.<br>
>><br>
>> Keith<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Topnotch Restorations<br>
>> <a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a><br>
>> <a href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/<wbr>radiorest/main.htm</a><br>
>> 71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
>> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
>> 93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
>> 95 Chrysler Cirrus Lxi "Cirstallsalot"<br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: <a href="http://type3-vwtype3.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">type3-vwtype3.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-">type3-vwtype3.org-</a><br>
>> <a href="mailto:bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
>> On Behalf Of William J<br>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 1:37 PM<br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>><br>
>> It's certainly possible . Last time I drove it faster than 45 MPH was<br>
>> 2006<br>
>> except one freeway drive in 2015 . I do step on it on main and some side<br>
>> streets and keep the auto trans in 2nd gear which is not quite the same<br>
>> thing as fully warming it up .<br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Dave Hall" <<a href="mailto:dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk">dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:18 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> >I wonder if all this is the car's way of asking you to take it for a<br>
>> >good<br>
>> > drive. Unless I'm mixing up two listees, this car isn't driven very<br>
>> > far<br>
>> > at<br>
>> > all.<br>
>> > I've certainly heard of VW dealers resorting to a good brisk drive in a<br>
>> > 'grumbling' car that does minimal mileage, just to clear out the<br>
>> > 'soot'.<br>
>> > Now the advance is working better, maybe that's worth trying?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Dave<br>
>> > UK VW Type 3&4 Club<br>
>> > ===================<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -----Original Message-----<br>
>> > From: <a href="http://type3-vwtype3.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">type3-vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-<wbr>bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
>> > On Behalf Of Jim Adney<br>
>> > Sent: 09 December 2017 04:35<br>
>> > To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 8 Dec 2017 at 15:13, William J wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Content removed<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > ******************************<wbr>*<br>
>> > Jim Adney, <a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> > Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br>
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>> Message: 5<br>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:21:00 -0800<br>
>> From: "William J" <<a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> Message-ID: <<wbr>97E0766682E44E99BA2FAD5A4BCA53<wbr>05@acere355056e8b><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";<br>
>> reply-type=original<br>
>><br>
>> That may have to be on hold since the entire area around us and most<br>
>> freeways are iffy since everything around here is on fire.<br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Keith Park" <<a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 4:55 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > These cars LOVE highway miles, about 85% of the 160K on my<br>
>> > Square is highway miles. Take it out, use it a bit at speed<br>
>> > alot could straighten itself out.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Keith<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Topnotch Restorations<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a><br>
>> > <a href="http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/<wbr>radiorest/main.htm</a><br>
>> > 71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
>> > 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
>> > 93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
>> > 95 Chrysler Cirrus Lxi "Cirstallsalot"<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -----Original Message-----<br>
>> > From: <a href="http://type3-vwtype3.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">type3-vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> > [mailto:<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-<wbr>bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
>> > On Behalf Of William J<br>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 1:37 PM<br>
>> > To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> > Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> ><br>
>> > It's certainly possible . Last time I drove it faster than 45 MPH was<br>
>> 2006<br>
>> > except one freeway drive in 2015 . I do step on it on main and some<br>
>> > side<br>
>> > streets and keep the auto trans in 2nd gear which is not quite the same<br>
>> > thing as fully warming it up .<br>
>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> > From: "Dave Hall" <<a href="mailto:dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk">dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk</a>><br>
>> > To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 3:18 AM<br>
>> > Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >>I wonder if all this is the car's way of asking you to take it for a<br>
>> >>good<br>
>> >> drive. Unless I'm mixing up two listees, this car isn't driven very<br>
>> >> far<br>
>> >> at<br>
>> >> all.<br>
>> >> I've certainly heard of VW dealers resorting to a good brisk drive in<br>
>> >> a<br>
>> >> 'grumbling' car that does minimal mileage, just to clear out the<br>
>> >> 'soot'.<br>
>> >> Now the advance is working better, maybe that's worth trying?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Dave<br>
>> >> UK VW Type 3&4 Club<br>
>> >> ===================<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> >> From: <a href="http://type3-vwtype3.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">type3-vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> >> [mailto:<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-<wbr>bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br>
>> >> On Behalf Of Jim Adney<br>
>> >> Sent: 09 December 2017 04:35<br>
>> >> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> >> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 8 Dec 2017 at 15:13, William J wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Content removed<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> ******************************<wbr>*<br>
>> >> Jim Adney, <a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> >> Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br>
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>><br>
>> Message: 6<br>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:58:18 -0500<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:Bobsnotch@aol.com">Bobsnotch@aol.com</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected auto trans pinging<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3dcb93.28c8db59.475deeba@aol.com">3dcb93.28c8db59.475deeba@aol.<wbr>com</a>><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
>><br>
>> In a message dated 12/9/2017 8:30:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,<br>
>> <a href="mailto:phil.hof@ostronic.org">phil.hof@ostronic.org</a> writes:<br>
>><br>
>> Lastly, I?ve said this before, but the late model breather/PVC is<br>
>> different than the early style, and I hear that faults can cause vacuum<br>
>> leaks that<br>
>> might cause at least some of your symptoms. If anyone has a good<br>
>> diagram<br>
>> and discussion of how the late PVC system works, we could set this right<br>
>> and<br>
>> eliminate another variable.<br>
>><br>
>> This is the 1 thing that Ray really doesn't like about the 2 cap PCV<br>
>> system<br>
>> VW used. It has a bad tendency to open when it wants, and causes a miss.<br>
>> What most of the type 4 guys do, is to strip out the guts of the valve,<br>
>> and<br>
>> add a slug with a drilled hole in it (can't remember what size right off<br>
>> hand) in the vac hose to the plenum. What this does is allow you to tune<br>
>> around the "constant vacuum leak" of the small hole. I only mention<br>
>> this,<br>
>> as<br>
>> all of the type 4 engines (bus, T-4, 914) use that same valve set up,<br>
>> and<br>
>> have issues with it. I haven't really studied how the VW designed PCV<br>
>> system<br>
>> really works, but then I've only got 1 t-4 engine here, and it's on<br>
>> carbs.<br>
>> The rest of the type 3 engines are all 1 cap breather models, so no real<br>
>> PCV<br>
>> set up.<br>
>><br>
>> I hope this helps.<br>
>><br>
>> Bob 65 Notch w/Factory Sunroof converted to IRS<br>
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>> Message: 7<br>
>> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 20:12:56 -0600<br>
>> From: "Jim Adney" <<a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected auto trans pinging<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:5A2C9828.25597.3886425A@jadney.vwtype3.org">5A2C9828.25597.3886425A@<wbr>jadney.vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<br>
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>> On 9 Dec 2017 at 20:58, <a href="mailto:Bobsnotch@aol.com">Bobsnotch@aol.com</a> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > This is the 1 thing that Ray really doesn't like about the 2 cap PCV<br>
>> > system VW used. It has a bad tendency to open when it wants, and<br>
>> > causes a miss. What most of the type 4 guys do, is to strip out the<br>
>> > guts of the valve, and add a slug with a drilled hole in it (can't<br>
>> > remember what size right off hand) in the vac hose to the plenum. What<br>
>> > this does is allow you to tune around the "constant vacuum leak" of<br>
>> > the small hole. I only mention this, as all of the type 4 engines<br>
>> > (bus, T-4, 914) use that same valve set up, and have issues with it. I<br>
>> > haven't really studied how the VW designed PCV system really works, but<br>
>> > then I've only got 1 t-4 engine here, and it's on carbs. The rest of<br>
>> > the type 3 engines are all 1 cap breather models, so no real PCV set<br>
>> > up.<br>
>><br>
>> All '72-3 FI Type 3s came with the 2 cap breather system. I've had<br>
>> several<br>
>> of<br>
>> them and they were all fine. No problems whatsoever. There's already a<br>
>> tiny<br>
>> little pinhole where that air enters the IAD, so there's no way for this<br>
>> to be<br>
>> overwhelming.<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> ******************************<wbr>*<br>
>> Jim Adney, <a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br>
>> ******************************<wbr>*<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------<br>
>><br>
>> Message: 8<br>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:16:15 -0800<br>
>> From: "William J" <<a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected auto trans pinging<br>
>> Message-ID: <<wbr>CFE3F08263CF46348EED4D272175B1<wbr>60@acere355056e8b><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";<br>
>> reply-type=original<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Phil Hof" <<a href="mailto:phil.hof@ostronic.org">phil.hof@ostronic.org</a>><br>
>> To: <<a href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org@lists.<wbr>vwtype3.org</a>><br>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 12:43 PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected auto trans pinging<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> > You answered my first thought, which is if the MPS leaks or not. You<br>
>> said<br>
>> > no., so let?s table the MPS for now.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Next, I wonder if your injector tip seals are bad. This would allow<br>
>> > air<br>
>> > in, causing leanness in any leaking cylinders (and perhaps pinging on<br>
>> > that/those cylinders), but because it?s maybe only one of four, and so<br>
>> far<br>
>> > from the MPS, it may not tip off the MPS much to enrichen things, and<br>
>> your<br>
>> > ?pull the TS plug? enriches it enough to alleviate the pinging, those<br>
>> > it<br>
>> > makes the other, non-leaking cylinders run rich.<br>
>><br>
>> The pinging stopped once I installed the other dist I rebuilt. I had<br>
>> this<br>
>> same issue not the pinging that was new and vever happened before. In<br>
>> 2009<br>
>> when this started I replaced the injector seals . It was the last thing I<br>
>> did because I had to wait for them to arrive and I had high hopes yet new<br>
>> ones didn't help . Before this began all I did was put the heat<br>
>> exchangers<br>
>> back on instead of the J pipes. Changed all the fuel lines and filter .<br>
>> adjusted the valves , changed the plugs which were Bosch that I had from<br>
>> 97<br>
>> , oil change . This was when I joined Samba to see if anyone might know .<br>
<br>
>> I<br>
>> went as far as to check every single wire ECU umplugged and checked for<br>
>> opens or shorts . I replaced vaccum lines nad the PVC hose . I've only<br>
>> put<br>
>> a<br>
>> little over 2 K miles on it since . It always came down to unplugging<br>
>> that<br>
>> sensor . I got another MPS that was never used and it was better. I<br>
>> replaced<br>
>> the plug wires and cap and rotor , gone over the valves twice in 2016 .<br>
>> tightened every single FI connector and the FI to case grounds. . I<br>
>> thought<br>
>> with all of this it would improve and at times it did yet never lasted<br>
>> long.<br>
>> Went through the charging system . Checked for voltage drops . The FI<br>
>> power<br>
>> relay is the original as is the fuel pump relay . It's possible I suppose<br>
>> the power relay contacts are not allowing full voltage to the ECU , that<br>
>> was<br>
>> next on my list . I never really had a reason to suspect it it did have<br>
>> battery voltage at the ECU last I checked.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Lastly, I?ve said this before, but the late model breather/PVC is<br>
>> > different than the early style, and I hear that faults can cause vacuum<br>
>> > leaks that might cause at least some of your symptoms. If anyone has a<br>
>> > good diagram and discussion of how the late PVC system works, we could<br>
>> set<br>
>> > this right and eliminate another variable. Ot just scan the Samba<br>
>> > classified and put in the older, simpler, PVC/breather system.<br>
>><br>
>> The PCV system seems to do it's job and to plug off the head ports and<br>
>> PCV<br>
>> to IAD pipe wouldn't be that difficult . I only know of two breathers<br>
>> that<br>
>> would work . One is the old draft tube and the other requires replacing<br>
>> the<br>
>> oil filler tube and dip stick I think there's one that has one nipple on<br>
>> the<br>
>> one cap breather that connects to the oil bath yet don't know it that's<br>
>> the<br>
>> entire venting or if it involves the tube down to the oil filler . I<br>
>> can't<br>
>> find much info. If the PCV broke I'd have to figure something out . All<br>
>> it<br>
>> needs is a way to vent case pressure without sucking up oil in the<br>
>> process<br>
>> .<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -Phil<br>
>> ><br>
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>> Message: 9<br>
>> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 21:22:02 -0500<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:Bobsnotch@aol.com">Bobsnotch@aol.com</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [T3] On a 73 T-3 SB fuel injected aut trans pinging .<br>
>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:3dcd7e.6df83fd1.475df44a@aol.com">3dcd7e.6df83fd1.475df44a@aol.<wbr>com</a>><br>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br>
>><br>
>> In a message dated 12/9/2017 7:30:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,<br>
>> <a href="mailto:catnine09@dslextreme.com">catnine09@dslextreme.com</a> writes:<br>
>><br>
>> I did try a 250 ohm resistor a few times yet for some reason it didn't<br>
>> help<br>
>> . It starts out at 27K ohms cold and last I checked , been a while it<br>
>> dropped to 70 ohm hot.<br>
>><br>
>> I didn't see a change until I had over 500 ohms then it acted like it<br>
>> does<br>
>> now only with the air temp sensor plugged in. It's only a matter of 2<br>
>> minutes from a cold engine when the missing begins I can't say if the<br>
>> head<br>
>> temp sensor heats up that fast.<br>
>> Seems all the HTS now are the same part number and are used to cover all<br>
>> applications even though there were different ones for bus and T4 and<br>
>> T3's<br>
>> .<br>
>><br>
>> Rays theory is 70 ohm is below the window of the ECU to read. I'm not<br>
>> sure<br>
>> if this is general info or applies to type 4 .<br>
>><br>
>> For your air temps, you should be have a reading of around 22-23K when<br>
>> cold. At 27K, your air temp should be around 30*F, which would be very<br>
>> cold<br>
>> for So Cal-Hollywood. Your "hot" temp should be above 100 ohms, with it<br>
>> "bottoming out" around 125 ohms or so. Anything below that just keeps<br>
>> leaning<br>
>> out the mixture. This is why I mentioned ballasting the HTS. If you're<br>
>> wanting to err on the rich side, a 400 or even a 500 ohm resister is what<br>
>> you'd<br>
>> want to put in line with the HTS.<br>
>> Yes, all of the new HTS's that are available now are the same build, and<br>
>> now are used on all air cooled VWs. It's not ideal, but they do kind of<br>
>> work. What you really want to do is check the resistance range before<br>
>> installing, as it might need ballast right out of the box. It's a real<br>
>> shame Denso<br>
>> doesn't make a replacement of them, as the quality might be better (more<br>
>> like the older Bosch units) than what's available today.<br>
>><br>
>> What Ray's theory is that 70 is below the threshold is from studying the<br>
>> Bosch books, and working with D-jet (both in t-4 and t-3 ) applications.<br>
>> There's info out there, but a majority is for the 914 (uses the same<br>
>> system<br>
>> basically), as those owners WANT to keep the D-Jet FI working<br>
>> correctly.Plus,<br>
>> they have the cash to have specialized parts made to do so. I'm not<br>
>> saying<br>
>> VW people can't have the parts made, but rather most give up and go to<br>
>> carbs because it's easier to do so.Plus, they're not "concourse" type of<br>
>> vehicles like Porsche or Mercedees people show at special events.<br>
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>> Bob 65 Notch w/Factory Sunroof converted to IRS<br>
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>> <a href="mailto:fisherfarms@gmail.com">fisherfarms@gmail.com</a> writes:<br>
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>> My '69 FI/AT 1600 never seems to vary more than about 50 rpm?<br>
>><br>
>> Yeah, but Mike your car gets tuned by Tram when it acts up. It's also<br>
>> got<br>
>> the more "primitive" FI system, versus what William is dealing with.<br>
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