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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">Jim Adney</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:31 PM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [T3] 73 type 3 FI ignition condenser ?</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 16 Mar 2019 at 11:10, William Jahn wrote:</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> I saw one on-line store selling 2 versions of Bosch points that fit</p><p class=MsoNormal>> the later Type 3´s one with the stronger spring. J-Bugs has that</p><p class=MsoNormal>> choice. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I measured the spring tension with a fisherman's scale, which </p><p class=MsoNormal>indicated that the 044 points pulled ~1.5 oz while the stronger one </p><p class=MsoNormal>was ~2.5 oz. If you've read the Bill Fisher book, you know that one </p><p class=MsoNormal>racer trick is to double up the 044 spring to get twice the spring </p><p class=MsoNormal>force to get reliable operation at very high rpm. The stronger spring </p><p class=MsoNormal>points makes this easy, but it's unnecessary and counterproductive </p><p class=MsoNormal>for stock operation at normal rpm.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I plan on sticking with the stock points. I got a Bosch set which is made in Mexico and another set that are made in Taiwan . The Bosch set needs to be aligned the other doesn’t , also the other set has a E clip on the top of the pivot, can’t say if that’s really needed. I have to say the quality is not quite what I’d like . I never get to actually see points since no FLAPs here other than auto zone carries them . There are sets from Standard ign and Delco Remy that look the same yet different than the Bosch yet before I go there I’ll try the Bosch. I used the type Delco Remy sells before seemed good.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> I got a set of NGK plus B6HS. Their site says not to use anti-seize</p><p class=MsoNormal>> yet when I emailed them they said just use a small amount and if not</p><p class=MsoNormal>> using a torque wrench just screw in until it stops and give them 1/3</p><p class=MsoNormal>> to 1/2 turn . The Bentley states 20 to 25 foot pounds and also states</p><p class=MsoNormal>> to use anti-seize and as most know anti-seize acts as a lube and you</p><p class=MsoNormal>> end up with a higher torque .</p><p class=MsoNormal> </p><p class=MsoNormal> </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I agree that the 20-25 ft-lbs is too high. I use MoS2 antiseize and </p><p class=MsoNormal>tighten to touch, then a bit snugger. I think the only time I tried </p><p class=MsoNormal>to torque to 25 I stripped out the threads in the head. I'll never do </p><p class=MsoNormal>that again.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I did that once when I rebuilt this engine from the 72 , the treads were stripped on 2 so I had the place who rebuilt these heads install Timeserts on all 4 and they did a great job, at that point I tried using a torque wrench and when it got to 15 ft lb’s it felt to much I removed the plug and used another since the washer was crushed . Before that and since then I always run a thread chaser just to clean any carbon and old anti-seize out and a ¼” drive ratchet with a 3/8” adapter for the plug socket and old snap on one with the rubber insert . I feel once the crush washer is seated as you then a bit more is more than enough. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>> I looked at Bosch´s site , they don´t list much and what I see they</p><p class=MsoNormal>> are all WR8AC with 5k ohm´s , I´d rather not add resistance where it</p><p class=MsoNormal>> was never designed to be.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>5k is no problem, simply because the current is so tiny. Keep in mind </p><p class=MsoNormal>that the rotor is 5k, and earlier 6 V cars used carbon core wire </p><p class=MsoNormal>which had 20-50k, depending on the length, and still worked just </p><p class=MsoNormal>fine.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I had a 66 bug , I don’t recall what sort of wire it used that was in 1970 and a 68 ghia the 68 was 12 volt . I had to run a special power adapter on the 66 ,6 volt to use an 8 track </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If you use resistor plugs, you can switch the SP connectors to ones </p><p class=MsoNormal>with zero resistance, which eliminates the connector as a potential </p><p class=MsoNormal>trouble spot. I have those connectors if you want to switch. While I </p><p class=MsoNormal>haven't done it yet, switching to resistor plugs is actually a nice </p><p class=MsoNormal>upgrade, since that gets you a fresh resistor with every SP change.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’ve thought of going that route yet I never had any issues with the 1K ohm resister ends and have 4 spares that I put on this car in 85 and they were still good as were the wires . Both were Bosch sets yet I noticed both have a 90 degree boot on the cap yet a straight connector as well as a carbon fiber coil wire , I used to make wire sets in the 70’s yet don’t have any more 90 degree cap ends. These work fine . Are you saying if using resister plugs use solid core wire and since the rotor has 5k – the 1k ends you end up with 9K ?</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>OTOH, I still have some NOS W8ACs and W8APs for anyone who prefers to </p><p class=MsoNormal>stay old school.</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I’m quite happy to stay old school . NGK does make a nice set of plug wires for these cars, they have the correct ends 1k resister and a solid core coil wire. I don’t think Bosch makes the wire set I got a few years ago any more. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I never really considered buying more W8AC plugs or German Bosch points and condensers when they were still available , didn’t think at that time they would stop making them same with the trigger points , I bought a new Bosch set in 2001 and cannot recall what I did with the other 2 sets that still had a lot of life left in them , probably walked away when my tool box was lifted around that time. I always saved points and thing s like that just in case. I had real old craftsman tools and Snap-on and Mac . Still have some just none of the ½ drive tools. My timing light and dwell tach worked well and they vanished as well. I’ll be setting points with a feeler gauge now which works fine and got a timing light from auto-zone yet it does not have the tach or adjustment for reading advance which was nice to have. The Bentley states .016 to .020 for points I always did .018 felt it was a midpoint. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> I’m sort of exited to try points again , The Pertronix has been fine yet I don’t recall it running any better than with points. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-- </p><p class=MsoNormal>*******************************</p><p class=MsoNormal>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>Madison, Wisconsin, USA</p><p class=MsoNormal>*******************************</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________</p><p class=MsoNormal>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:</p><p class=MsoNormal>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</p><p class=MsoNormal>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>