<p dir="ltr"><br>
"I just double-checked the parts list to make sure that there were no late '68s<br>
made with the rear mounts. The only '68s made with the rear mounts were<br>
the AT cars (M249), which were IRS, not swing axle."</p>
<p dir="ltr">Jim I can confirm that I have a 9/67 built RHD T344 manual swing axle car (owned since 8/85), which has all the factory IRS rear body pressings each side for the body mount to hanger bar. The original engine does not have the castings for the hanger bar bolts though. So as far as T34 was concerned these were in each shell for both manual and auto cars from 68 model year production. </p>
<p dir="ltr">I also have a 3/68 auto car model 345 that was delivered new in Germany with the full IRS and solex carbs fitted with altitude correctors and the unique 905P distributor. The pan for each car incidentally has the specific fittings for the chosen gearbox only.</p>
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</br></br><div class="device_aol_et_org_dt_dd_quote"></div><hr style="border:0;height:1px;color:#999;background-color:#999;width:100%;margin:0 0 9px 0;padding:0;"></hr><span style="font-size:14px; color:#999999;">On Thursday, 12 March 2020 type3-vwtype3.org-request <<span style="color:#0000A0">type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org</span>> wrote:</span><br></br><div dir='ltr'>Send type3-vwtype3.org mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir='ltr'> <a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir='ltr'> <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir='ltr'> <a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir='ltr'> <a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir='ltr'>than "Re: Contents of type3-vwtype3.org digest..."<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>***********************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'>When replying to the digest, please remember to trim your message. 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Re: hanger bar on 68 notchback (Jim Adney)<br></div><div dir='ltr'> 2. Re: hanger bar on 68 notchback (Jeff C)<br></div><div dir='ltr'> 3. Re: hanger bar on 68 notchback (William Jahn)<br></div><div dir='ltr'> 4. Re: hanger bar on 68 notchback (Jim Adney)<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message: 1<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 09:17:12 -0500<br></div><div dir='ltr'>From: "Jim Adney" <<a ymailto="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>To: <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Subject: Re: [T3] hanger bar on 68 notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:5E6A4468.13972.8230200@jadney.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:5E6A4468.13972.8230200@jadney.vwtype3.org">5E6A4468.13972.8230200@jadney.vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>I just double-checked the parts list to make sure that there were no late '68s <br></div><div dir='ltr'>made with the rear mounts. The only '68s made with the rear mounts were <br></div><div dir='ltr'>the AT cars (M249), which were IRS, not swing axle.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Is it possible that someone welded IRS rear support brackets into each side <br></div><div dir='ltr'>of the body? I think that's the only way you could end up with a Type 3 that <br></div><div dir='ltr'>had rear mounts with a swing axle tranny.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>I also see that your photo of the engine compartment does not show the little <br></div><div dir='ltr'>tab that would have stuck forward from the rear edge of the engine opening <br></div><div dir='ltr'>to hold the support for the "handle" that constituted an extra support for the <br></div><div dir='ltr'>rear of the engine on swing axle cars.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Is it possible that you misunderstand what a swing axle looks like? A swing <br></div><div dir='ltr'>axle car has axles in axle tubes that run out to each rear wheel. Those tubes <br></div><div dir='ltr'>are 2" or so in diameter and don't rotate. An IRS tranny has exposed axles <br></div><div dir='ltr'>which are less than 1" in diameter and rotate with the wheels.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>What's your VIN? Note that model year '69s were made starting in August of <br></div><div dir='ltr'>1968. My guess is that what you have is an IRS model year '69.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Jim<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>On 11 Mar 2020 at 9:46, J L Stamey wrote:<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> She's def a 68,. Birth Cert photo, all VIN #'s match too:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009951.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009951.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <br></div><div dir='ltr'>> automatic would be on options list so I don't think it was an auto.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> Kiel Germany was destination built on 11/21/67.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <br></div><div dir='ltr'>> odd ball late 67??<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <br></div><div dir='ltr'>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 4:13 PM<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <<a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Send type3-vwtype3.org mailing list submissions to<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > than "Re: Contents of type3-vwtype3.org digest..."<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ***********************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > When replying to the digest, please remember to trim your message. 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Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > swingaxle notchback (David)<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > 2. Re: Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > swingaxle notchback (Dave Hall)<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > 3. Re: Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > swingaxle notchback (Dave Hall)<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > 4. Re: Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > swingaxle notchback (Jim Adney)<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message: 1<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 22:40:04 -0400<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > From: "David" <<a ymailto="mailto:rdavid@rochester.rr.com" href="mailto:rdavid@rochester.rr.com">rdavid@rochester.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To: <<a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Subject: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > swingaxle notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message-ID: <000401d5f685$34b9c210$9e2d4630$@rochester.rr.com><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > I never heard of a IRS hanger breaking before!<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Unless for some reason it is rusted out, but that one certainly looks like a<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > clean metal break to me.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Dave Pallo<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > '72 Square ~ Elwood<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Fairport, New York<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > URL: <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200309/4e1074c5/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200309/4e1074c5/attachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message: 2<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:05:17 +0000<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > From: Dave Hall <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk" href="mailto:dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk">dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To: <<a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Subject: Re: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > 1968 swingaxle notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:E1jBZt6-00026T-9Z@relay02.mail.eu.clara.net" href="mailto:E1jBZt6-00026T-9Z@relay02.mail.eu.clara.net">E1jBZt6-00026T-9Z@relay02.mail.eu.clara.net</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > The<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > -----Original Message-----<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > From: "David" <<a ymailto="mailto:rdavid@rochester.rr.com" href="mailto:rdavid@rochester.rr.com">rdavid@rochester.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Sent: ?10/?03/?2020 02:40<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To: "<a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Subject: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968 swingaxle notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > I never heard of a IRS hanger breaking before!<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Unless for some reason it is rusted out, but that one certainly looks like a<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > clean metal break to me.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Dave Pallo<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > '72 Square ~ Elwood<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Fairport, New York<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > URL: <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200309/4e1074c5/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200309/4e1074c5/attachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > VWType3.Org mailing list - <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > If you need more help, contact: <a ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > URL: <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200310/c89dc13f/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200310/c89dc13f/attachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message: 3<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:39:41 -0000<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > From: "Dave Hall" <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk" href="mailto:dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk">dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To: <<a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Subject: Re: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > 1968 swingaxle notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message-ID: <000201d5f6d8$f8979470$e9c6bd50$@hallvw.clara.co.uk><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > I have known them break, but it was under extreme conditions when a motor<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > industry research organisation in the UK tested a 1969 Auto Fastback. The<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > pav? test proved too much for the hanger and it cracked across the centre<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > after a few hundred miles of tooth-shattering driving. I think I gave CDs<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > of the test report to Jim and John. It's a very comprehensive report<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > involving a complete strip-down of the car, weights for all the components<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > etc, chassis stiffness tests, performance figures etc.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Dave,<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > UK VW Type 3&4 Club.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > -----Original Message-----<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > From: type3-vwtype3.org <<a ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>> On<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Behalf Of David<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Sent: 10 March 2020 02:40<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To: <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Subject: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for 1968<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > swingaxle notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > I never heard of a IRS hanger breaking before!<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Unless for some reason it is rusted out, but that one certainly looks like a<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > clean metal break to me.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Dave Pallo<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > '72 Square ~ Elwood<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Fairport, New York<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > URL:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200309/4" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200309/4</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > e1074c5/attachment.html><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > VWType3.Org mailing list - <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a> To unsubscribe or change<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > subscription options, visit:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > If you need more help, contact: <a ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message: 4<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:40:49 -0500<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > From: "Jim Adney" <<a ymailto="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To: <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Subject: Re: [T3] Need "hanger plate/bar bracket" L and R side for<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > 1968 swingaxle notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:5E6798E1.28759.6F841B8D@jadney.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:5E6798E1.28759.6F841B8D@jadney.vwtype3.org">5E6798E1.28759.6F841B8D@jadney.vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > First off, your subject line says "1968 swingaxle", so I wonder how that's<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > possible, since a swingaxle car would not have this crossbar. You clearly<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > have the rear mount crossbar, which was only used on IRS Type 3s, so this<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > can't be a swing axle car and probably isn't a '68, since the only IRS '68s<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > were the very first AT Type 3s, sold only in Europe. So I'm guessing that this<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > is a '69, which is almost identical to a '68, except for being IRS.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Check your VIN. The 3rd digit of your VIN is the last digit of the model year.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Okay, that said, I've never seen one of these break either, but this one<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > clearly did. There were 2 versions of the rear mount crossbar. The early one<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > has a large (~1") hole, which I think I can see just to the right of the break.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > The later one eliminated that hole. The hole was there to allow access to a<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > screw head that attached the tin to a tab on the heat exchanger. I believe<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > both versions were equally strong, but you should try to find one with the<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > hole if you need it for that screw access. (VW changed the tin to eliminate<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > the need for the hole in later years.)<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > The rear mount crossbar is bolted to the case with two 10 mm bolts and one<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > 8 mm bolt. To replace the crossbar, you'll have to remove the fan and the fan<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > housing, which can be done with the engine in the car, but it's not<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > straightforward. In the meantime, I agree that it's reasonable to find a shop<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > that can weld the bar back together temporarily. You should check to make<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > sure that the hangers that support the ends of the crossbar are not putting<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > excess stress on the crossbar. Their positions are adjustable.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > On 9 Mar 2020 at 11:50, J L Stamey wrote:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > Got the car tuned up and ready to roll yesterday. On way back from gas<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > station I heard a pop and a grinding or dragging sound. Pulled over and<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > noticed right side of engine was WAY low. Looked up underneath and<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > immediately noticed the hanger bar or bracket had snapped in 2! I figured<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > while I am in there, may as well replace both sides!<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > Looked around on ISP and a few other sources, all I see is IRS brackets.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > pic of the motor drooping on the right:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > <a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009130.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009130.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > pic of the bracket piece I need (attaches to underside of engine area with<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > 2 large, maybe 17mm or 19mm, bolts)<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > <a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > Anyone know how to get these and any tips or tricks to installing them?<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > > Many thanks!<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > --<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > *******************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Jim Adney, <a ymailto="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > *******************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > VWType3.Org mailing list - <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > If you need more help, contact: <a ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > ------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > End of type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 114, Issue 2<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > *************************************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> VWType3.Org mailing list - <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> If you need more help, contact: <a ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>-- <br></div><div dir='ltr'>*******************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Jim Adney, <a ymailto="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br></div><div dir='ltr'>*******************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message: 2<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 08:40:48 -0700<br></div><div dir='ltr'>From: Jeff C <<a ymailto="mailto:knowonelse@gmail.com" href="mailto:knowonelse@gmail.com">knowonelse@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>To: T3 <<a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Subject: Re: [T3] hanger bar on 68 notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message-ID:<br></div><div dir='ltr'> <<a ymailto="mailto:CANbgFtVOwgCgpkodpxrSK7yHDtxuicvrNLVKU5eudzdJpfjTEA@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CANbgFtVOwgCgpkodpxrSK7yHDtxuicvrNLVKU5eudzdJpfjTEA@mail.gmail.com">CANbgFtVOwgCgpkodpxrSK7yHDtxuicvrNLVKU5eudzdJpfjTEA@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> I took a picture of my '67 swing axle from about the same position as the<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> picture posted earlier.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Note that just behind the rubber bumper is a large diameter tube which<br></div><div dir='ltr'>houses the axle inside.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>I noticed that on the original picture at the lower right a CV boot can be<br></div><div dir='ltr'>seen, which is only found on IRS axles.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>There is no equivalent boot on the swing axle.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2010333.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2010333.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Original picture<br></div><div dir='ltr'><a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Jeff '67 Sqbk<br></div><div dir='ltr'>-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir='ltr'>URL: <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200312/29f18f18/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200312/29f18f18/attachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message: 3<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 08:46:40 -0700<br></div><div dir='ltr'>From: William Jahn <<a ymailto="mailto:willjahn975@gmail.com" href="mailto:willjahn975@gmail.com">willjahn975@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>To: <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Subject: Re: [T3] hanger bar on 68 notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message-ID:<br></div><div dir='ltr'> <<a ymailto="mailto:CADD65r754_k0L1mP9aQ9802TLhQKsvrkkYtTy87BptsCF1gF5w@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CADD65r754_k0L1mP9aQ9802TLhQKsvrkkYtTy87BptsCF1gF5w@mail.gmail.com">CADD65r754_k0L1mP9aQ9802TLhQKsvrkkYtTy87BptsCF1gF5w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>wouldn't there be at least be signs on the original swing axle rear engine<br></div><div dir='ltr'>mount that was welded to the rear of the engine opening if it was changed<br></div><div dir='ltr'>to an IRS?<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 8:40 AM Jeff C <<a ymailto="mailto:knowonelse@gmail.com" href="mailto:knowonelse@gmail.com">knowonelse@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > I took a picture of my '67 swing axle from about the same position as the<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> > picture posted earlier.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> Note that just behind the rubber bumper is a large diameter tube which<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> houses the axle inside.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> I noticed that on the original picture at the lower right a CV boot can be<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> seen, which is only found on IRS axles.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> There is no equivalent boot on the swing axle.<br></div><div dir='ltr'>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2010333.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2010333.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> Original picture<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> Jeff '67 Sqbk<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> -------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> URL: <<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200312/29f18f18/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200312/29f18f18/attachment.html</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> ><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> _______________________________________________<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> VWType3.Org mailing list - <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> If you need more help, contact: <a ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir='ltr'>URL: <<a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200312/41fd8715/attachment.html" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200312/41fd8715/attachment.html</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message: 4<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 11:53:05 -0500<br></div><div dir='ltr'>From: "Jim Adney" <<a ymailto="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>To: <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Subject: Re: [T3] hanger bar on 68 notchback<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:5E6A68F1.19194.8B1BB5A@jadney.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:5E6A68F1.19194.8B1BB5A@jadney.vwtype3.org">5E6A68F1.19194.8B1BB5A@jadney.vwtype3.org</a>><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Jeff, perfect call. I failed to notice that detail in his photo.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>So what he has is an IRS car, presumably a '68 that was originally sold in <br></div><div dir='ltr'>europe with the odd '68 AT with dual Solex carbs (which was IRS, while all <br></div><div dir='ltr'>other '68s were swing axle.) Or this is a '69. An AT pan would have a place <br></div><div dir='ltr'>where the shift cable exited on the underside, somewhat to the rear and left <br></div><div dir='ltr'>of the hand brake lever. If this is now MT, that leaves an unused "port" on <br></div><div dir='ltr'>the underside of the pan. That this car came from europe makes the '68 AT <br></div><div dir='ltr'>option possible.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Mystery solved, but he still needs a rear mount crossbar.<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Jim<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>On 12 Mar 2020 at 8:40, Jeff C wrote:<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> I noticed that on the original picture at the lower right a CV boot can<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> be seen, which is only found on IRS axles. There is no equivalent boot<br></div><div dir='ltr'>> on the swing axle. <br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <br></div><div dir='ltr'>> Original picture<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>> <a href="https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg" target=_blank>https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/2009131.jpg</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>-- <br></div><div dir='ltr'>*******************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'>Jim Adney, <a ymailto="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br></div><div dir='ltr'>*******************************<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir='ltr'>VWType3.Org mailing list - <a ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br></div><div dir='ltr'><a href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target=_blank>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'>If you need more help, contact: <a ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>------------------------------<br></div><div dir='ltr'><br></div><div dir='ltr'>End of type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 114, Issue 4<br></div><div dir='ltr'>*************************************************<br></div>