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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Keith Park <topnotch@nycap.rr.com><br>
To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
Sent: Sun, Aug 16, 2020 10:02 am<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] cranks and clearances<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">From what I understand this has been going on a lot longer than you think. <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">With the quality of t-4 engine parts getting harder to find, using multiple sets <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">of parts (while increasing costs) has been the way to go. Like you said, <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">CHECK EVERYTHING. This is why Jake got out, quality engine parts were <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">drying up. It's hard to guarantee anything when you can't get good parts, let <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">alone back it. It's also why so many are going with a Subaru engine, as the <br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">quality of Japanese parts is much better than Chinese parts.</font></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2">Bob 65 Notch S w/sunroof</font><br>
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<div dir="ltr"><br clear="none">Moral of the story is CHECK EVERYTHING, even stuff you've never checked<br clear="none">before and read the forums, there is always someone else that has been thru<br clear="none">the same thing and the builders will play games to get engines they have to<br clear="none">stand behind. Ive heard Raby will mix and match bearing sets to get things<br clear="none">to his standards, but at $80 a pop, I cant do that!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Keith<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Topnotch Restorations<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.topnotchresto.com/" target="_blank">http://www.topnotchresto.com</a><br clear="none">71 Squareback "Hothe"<br clear="none">65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br clear="none">93 RX7 "Redstur"<br clear="none">13 Subaru Outback "Blendin"<br clear="none"> <br clear="none">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br clear="none">On Behalf Of Brion Sabbatino<br clear="none">Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2020 1:09 AM<br clear="none">To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [T3] cranks and clearances<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Keith,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sorry for all the issues you have encountered. I have never seen anyone have<br clear="none">as many issues with Type 4 rebuild as you have experienced. I am following<br clear="none">the thread.<br clear="none">________________________________<br clear="none">From: type3-vwtype3.org <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>> on<br clear="none">behalf of Keith Park <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 8:40:34 PM<br clear="none">To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a> <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a>><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [T3] cranks and clearances<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I sent him a note, thanks for the contact.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Keith<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Topnotch Restorations<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.topnotchresto.com/" target="_blank">http://www.topnotchresto.com</a><br clear="none">71 Squareback "Hothe"<br clear="none">65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br clear="none">93 RX7 "Redstur"<br clear="none">13 Subaru Outback "Blendin"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>]<br clear="none">On Behalf Of <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:bobsnotch@aol.com" href="mailto:bobsnotch@aol.com">bobsnotch@aol.com</a><br clear="none">Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 4:40 PM<br clear="none">To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">Subject: Re: [T3] cranks and clearances<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Personally, I'd contact Steve (Clatter) on the Samba in the type 3 forum, as<br clear="none">he's really a type 4 engine guy with a lot of experience with type 4 engines<br clear="none">(has enough parts laying around to build a couple if needed in his engine<br clear="none">room). You wouldn't have anything to loose but some time, and getting a<br clear="none">second opinion from someone with experience never hurts. He even built a<br clear="none">"sweep the floor" engine (showed the build up on STF) that went into his bus<br clear="none">that he took the family on vacation with. He pointed out some things that<br clear="none">not many people know about when building it that made some sense, and some<br clear="none">of it could be thought of as off the wall. He does have a tendency to ramble<br clear="none">on at times, but that's how he thinks at times. While we might talk to<br clear="none">ourselves, he types it out in messages. He's also building a really nice,<br clear="none">very well executed 67 Fastback with a t-4 in it. Give him a shout, maybe he<br clear="none">can help.Bob 65 Notch w/sunroof<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: Keith Park <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>><br clear="none">To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 9:00 pm<br clear="none">Subject: [T3] cranks and clearances<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Ok, Im getting Cranky!<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">The crank that was in my 2056 was a 10 under, thats fine, but for some<br clear="none">reason despite my measuring .003 to .0035 main bearing clearances, it<br clear="none">started<br clear="none"><br clear="none">to sieze when it got warmed up with the break in oil in there, what is<br clear="none">additionally interesting is that the sacrificial bearing shells didnt do<br clear="none">their work very well,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">you can run your fingernail across the journals and feel some light scoring.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">The crank for this build is my spare, its seen alot of use and despite<br clear="none">having 2 rod journals shells well into the copper the machine shop found it<br clear="none">in the middle of the<br clear="none"><br clear="none">spec and just polished it, and it does, and did look good, except... the new<br clear="none">bearing shells on it are a bit loose.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">These are old stock Repco bearings, and im finding between .0045 for the<br clear="none">split one to .005 for 1 and 3. Now im measuring this with a mic and bore<br clear="none">gauge, using the mic's<br clear="none"><br clear="none">measurement for journal size as the 0 point for the bore gauge, so it should<br clear="none">be accurate. Bearings all torqued into the case.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">SO...<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">im kinda porked... the wear limit is .006 or so, so I should be around .002<br clear="none">or 3, and the bearings are what the bearings are, the crank SHOULD be in<br clear="none">spec, if the shop measured it properly<br clear="none"><br clear="none">and since they have better equipment that I do....<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Should I have it taken down 10? well.. they say its in spec NOW... and 10<br clear="none">under didnt do wonders for the hardness layer on the last crank and since 2L<br clear="none">Porsche cranks dont grow on trees... risk it<br clear="none"><br clear="none">or run the .005 with the stock journals and stock hardness layer intact?<br clear="none">after the incident with the break in oil im inclined to keep things on the<br clear="none">loose side of ideal but past builds have had<br clear="none"><br clear="none">oil pressure issues so its sensitive to that, although the previous build<br clear="none">had NO pressure issues.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">What to do? What are people finding the main bearing clearances to be out<br clear="none">there in stock size land? they are sending me a set of silverlines to try,<br clear="none">but they arent the quality of the Repco's.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Keith<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Topnotch Restorations<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.topnotchresto.com/" target="_blank">http://www.topnotchresto.com</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">71 Squareback "Hothe"<br clear="none">65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">93 RX7 "Redstur"<br clear="none"><br clear="none">13 Subaru Outback "Blendin"<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-------------- next part --------------<br clear="none">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br clear="none">URL:<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200814/4" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200814/4</a><br clear="none">c2c48f5/attachment.html><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">VWType3.Org mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">If you need more help, contact: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">-------------- next part --------------<br clear="none">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br clear="none">URL:<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200815/c" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200815/c</a><br clear="none">cab98bc/attachment.html><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">VWType3.Org mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">If you need more help, contact: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">VWType3.Org mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">If you need more help, contact: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">-------------- next part --------------<br clear="none">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br clear="none">URL:<br clear="none"><<a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200816/9" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20200816/9</a><br clear="none">51ecbc5/attachment.html>
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