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<div>A<font size="2">ctually there are several guys running the 123 distributor, as it uses electronic trigger <br>
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<div><font size="2">points, along with settable advance rates for the different engines available (VW, <br>
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<div><font size="2">Mercedes, Volvo, etc) that use a form of D or L jet injection. This distributor can be <br>
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<div><font size="2">used with carbs as well. Just something to think about. Last I heard, Ray was looking <br>
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<div><font size="2">into getting one himself, if not for anything but to look into the quality of it, and use on <br>
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<div><font size="2">Bob 65 Notch S with sunroof<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid blue; padding-left: 3px;"><br clear="none"> I would go with a harmonic vibration that causes a connector issue. I know<br clear="none">one fellow on the Samba site got this new distributor think it's the 123<br clear="none">so it does away with the trigger points and ign points and he said his 72<br clear="none">never ran better.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> William</blockquote></div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: William Jahn <willjahn975@gmail.com><br>
To: type3@vwtype3.org<br>
Sent: Mon, May 17, 2021 2:50 am<br>
Subject: Re: [T3] a stumper!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I went through everything on my 73 with the stock 1600 FI auto trans. I<br clear="none">even pulled the control unit and cleaned the plug with contact cleaner and<br clear="none">made certain the contacts were tight . I went one step further and sprayed<br clear="none">contact cleaner on a rag and wiped the control units contacts and was<br clear="none">amazed how much oily like residue came off.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> I was after a lean condition , even changed the runner boots and intake<br clear="none">gaskets I got from Jim . I took apart the electric air bypass valve because<br clear="none">it was sticking . Nothing changed a thing. The only fix was adjusting the<br clear="none">MPS a bit richer in steps because the only way it would not run lean is if<br clear="none">I disconnected the IAD temp sensor and even then it was not right, just<br clear="none">better. All the fuel lines and vacuum lines I replaced mostly because they<br clear="none">needed it. I even cleaned out the IAD and runners.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> I would go with a harmonic vibration that causes a connector issue. I know<br clear="none">one fellow on the Samba site got this new distributor think it's the 123<br clear="none">so it does away with the trigger points and ign points and he said his 72<br clear="none">never ran better.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"> William<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 5:15 PM Keith Park <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Ill check these, the distributor I rebuilt to make it "Ray worthy" when<br clear="none">> doing the initial tuning,<br clear="none">> Could still be an issue in there.<br clear="none">> Any thoughts about the trigger points also having an issue like this?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Thanks<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> KEith<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Topnotch Restorations<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com" href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.topnotchresto.com/" target="_blank">http://www.topnotchresto.com</a><br clear="none">> 71 Squareback “Hothe”<br clear="none">> 65 Notchback “El Baja Rojo”<br clear="none">> 93 RX7 “Redstur”<br clear="none">> 13 Subaru Outback "Blendin"<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> -----Original Message-----<br clear="none">> From: type3-vwtype3.org <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org">type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org</a>> On<br clear="none">> Behalf Of Jim Adney<br clear="none">> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2021 6:40 PM<br clear="none">> To: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">> Subject: Re: [T3] a stumper!<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On 16 May 2021 at 9:06, Max Welton wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> > Maybe a harmonic that shows up in that range and is making some<br clear="none">> > connection unhappy?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> That's what I was thinking. Maybe the points bouncing? Perhaps just try a<br clear="none">> different set of points, or I have different points with stronger springs<br clear="none">> that I would only recommend for someone who wants to run at unusually high<br clear="none">> RPMs. You could try one of those, just to see if it changed anything. If it<br clear="none">> pushes the miss to a higher RPM range, then you've found your problem.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> And check the ground strap on the points plate, to make SURE it's working.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Finally, note that the points plate has to rotate to advance the timing as<br clear="none">> the RPM increases. As it rotates, the points wire has to flex and this can<br clear="none">> cause problems if the wire inside the insulation is broken. You should also<br clear="none">> check to make SURE that no part of the points comes close to shorting to<br clear="none">> ground as the points plate rotates. (IIRC, there's a screw there that can<br clear="none">> be<br clear="none">> VERY close if the wrong (too long) screw has been installed somewhere.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> --<br clear="none">> *******************************<br clear="none">> Jim Adney, <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">> Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br clear="none">> *******************************<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> VWType3.Org mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a> To unsubscribe or change<br clear="none">> subscription options, visit:<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">> If you need more help, contact: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> VWType3.Org mailing list - <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">> If you need more help, contact: <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org" href="mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org">gregm@vwtype3.org</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">-------------- next part --------------<br clear="none">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br clear="none">URL: <<a shape="rect" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20210516/558a6c1c/attachment.html" target="_blank">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20210516/558a6c1c/attachment.html</a>>
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