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You would not have pay UK Tax ( VAT ) but would have to check Shipping and US Taxes !<br/><br/>Steve <br/><br/>------ Original Message ------<br/>On Sunday, 28 Aug, 22 At 21:07, type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org wrote:<br/><br/>Send type3-vwtype3.org mailing list submissions to<br><br/> type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org<br><br/><br><br/>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br><br/> <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br><br/>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br><br/> type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org<br><br/><br><br/>You can reach the person managing the list at<br><br/> type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org<br><br/><br><br/>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br><br/>than "Re: Contents of type3-vwtype3.org digest..."<br><br/><br><br/><br><br/>***********************************<br><br/>When replying to the digest, please remember to trim your message. 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(William Jahn)<br><br/><br><br/><br><br/>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br/><br><br/>Message: 1<br><br/>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 01:05:22 -0500<br><br/>From: jadney@vwtype3.org<br><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Subject: [T3] Brake Hints!<br><br/>Message-ID: <630B05A2.24197.26040F3@jadney.vwtype3.org><br><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<br><br/><br><br/>I've been doing a lot of brake part rebuilding for Type 3 people this summer, and one thing <br><br/>that I've noticed is that nobody does anything about their brake hydraulics as long as it works.<br><br/><br><br/>I'm writing to encourage everyone to take a bit of time to flush fresh brake fluid thru their <br><br/>system every few years. Suck the old fluid out of the reservoir, refill with fresh, dry, DoT-4, <br><br/>and flush this thru all 4 wheels until everything comes out clean.<br><br/><br><br/>Standard brake fluid likes to absorb moisture right out of the air. It does that even if you live in <br><br/>a dry climate. When it does that, it becomes corrosive. There are several places where this is <br><br/>a problem: the mouth of the MC (master cylinder) is the worst of these. I'm seeing MC after <br><br/>MC this summer with pitting just inside the mouth that has rendered another MC as <br><br/>un-rebuildable.<br><br/><br><br/>I used to see NOS OEM Type 3 MCs on ebay for about $125, but those seem to have <br><br/>disappeared. The price is now ~$US250, and there don't seem to be many of those. The <br><br/>price will be going up.<br><br/><br><br/>I can send pitted MCs out to be sleeved. That increases your cost from $65 (rebuilding) to <br><br/>around $200 (sleeving and rebuilding.) Sleeving is a great option, as the stainless steel <br><br/>sleeve is a perfect match to the cast iron MC, but that extra expense can be avoided if you <br><br/>would just flush good quality DoT-4 brake fluid thru your systems every few years. This is <br><br/>cheap preventitive maintence. In the later years, VW started suggesting doing this every 2 <br><br/>years. I think this is extreme for most of us, but most people NEVER do it, and that's an <br><br/>expensive mistake. Have you ever flushed YOUR brake system?<br><br/><br><br/>I HATE it when I have to email someone and tell them that their old MC is not rebuildable for <br><br/>a reasonable price. Don't be one of those people.<br><br/><br><br/>FYI, if you really care about your car and its brakes, switch to DoT-5 Silicone Brake Fluid. It <br><br/>does not absorb moisture and it doesn't become corrosive when it sits in the car. It never <br><br/>needs to be flushed and replaced. I find that it extends the service interval for MCs, wheel <br><br/>cylinders, and brake calipers almost indefinitely. It costs more up front, but saves time, <br><br/>money and aggravation in the long run. I use it and recommend it for all Type 3s. I have a <br><br/>writeup on installing and using it. Email me if you want a copy.<br><br/><br><br/>And, BTW, if you have a few old Type 3 MCs lying around the garage floor, thinking they are <br><br/>your backup spares, they are now junk. If they have been sitting there for more than a few <br><br/>months with old brake fluid in them, they will need to be sleeved before they will be usable. I'll <br><br/>pay shipping for cores for sleeving, just to keep them from being trashed.<br><br/><br><br/>thanks for reading,<br><br/><br><br/>-- <br><br/>*******************************<br><br/>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br><br/>*******************************<br><br/><br><br/><br><br/><br><br/>------------------------------<br><br/><br><br/>Message: 2<br><br/>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 09:49:04 -0400<br><br/>From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com><br><br/>To: <type3@vwtype3.org><br><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Brake Hints!<br><br/>Message-ID: <000001d8bae4$f0660fc0$d1322f40$@nycap.rr.com><br><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br/><br><br/>Well put Jim! And yea, im one of those offenders that really needs to<br><br/>flush. The Square is still DOT4, and I rebuilt the master in 1988 and<br><br/>haven?t touched it since, im pushing it... I did put a layer of silicone<br><br/>grease on the exposed cylinder bore back in the day, and my car doesn?t leak<br><br/>so its not damp down there but im making a mental note to self,<br><br/>Self... FLUSH the brakes in the spring!!!!<br><br/><br><br/>Keith'<br><br/><br><br/><br><br/>Topnotch Restorations<br><br/>topnotch@nycap.rr.com<br><br/><a target="_blank" href="http://www.topnotchresto.com">http://www.topnotchresto.com</a><br><br/>71 Squareback? ?Hothe?<br><br/>65 Notchback? ?El Baja Rojo?<br><br/>93 RX7? ?Redstur?<br><br/>13 Subaru?Outback?"Blendin"<br><br/><br><br/>-----Original Message-----<br><br/>From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org> On<br><br/>Behalf Of jadney@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:05 AM<br><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Subject: [T3] Brake Hints!<br><br/><br><br/>I've been doing a lot of brake part rebuilding for Type 3 people this<br><br/>summer, and one thing that I've noticed is that nobody does anything about<br><br/>their brake hydraulics as long as it works.<br><br/><br><br/>I'm writing to encourage everyone to take a bit of time to flush fresh brake<br><br/>fluid thru their system every few years. Suck the old fluid out of the<br><br/>reservoir, refill with fresh, dry, DoT-4, and flush this thru all 4 wheels<br><br/>until everything comes out clean.<br><br/><br><br/>Standard brake fluid likes to absorb moisture right out of the air. It does<br><br/>that even if you live in a dry climate. When it does that, it becomes<br><br/>corrosive. There are several places where this is a problem: the mouth of<br><br/>the MC (master cylinder) is the worst of these. I'm seeing MC after MC this<br><br/>summer with pitting just inside the mouth that has rendered another MC as<br><br/>un-rebuildable.<br><br/><br><br/>I used to see NOS OEM Type 3 MCs on ebay for about $125, but those seem to<br><br/>have disappeared. The price is now ~$US250, and there don't seem to be many<br><br/>of those. The price will be going up.<br><br/><br><br/>I can send pitted MCs out to be sleeved. That increases your cost from $65<br><br/>(rebuilding) to around $200 (sleeving and rebuilding.) Sleeving is a great<br><br/>option, as the stainless steel sleeve is a perfect match to the cast iron<br><br/>MC, but that extra expense can be avoided if you would just flush good<br><br/>quality DoT-4 brake fluid thru your systems every few years. This is cheap<br><br/>preventitive maintence. In the later years, VW started suggesting doing this<br><br/>every 2 years. I think this is extreme for most of us, but most people<br><br/>NEVER do it, and that's an expensive mistake. Have you ever flushed YOUR<br><br/>brake system?<br><br/><br><br/>I HATE it when I have to email someone and tell them that their old MC is<br><br/>not rebuildable for a reasonable price. Don't be one of those people.<br><br/><br><br/>FYI, if you really care about your car and its brakes, switch to DoT-5<br><br/>Silicone Brake Fluid. It does not absorb moisture and it doesn't become<br><br/>corrosive when it sits in the car. It never needs to be flushed and<br><br/>replaced. I find that it extends the service interval for MCs, wheel<br><br/>cylinders, and brake calipers almost indefinitely. It costs more up front,<br><br/>but saves time, money and aggravation in the long run. I use it and<br><br/>recommend it for all Type 3s. I have a writeup on installing and using it.<br><br/>Email me if you want a copy.<br><br/><br><br/>And, BTW, if you have a few old Type 3 MCs lying around the garage floor,<br><br/>thinking they are your backup spares, they are now junk. If they have been<br><br/>sitting there for more than a few months with old brake fluid in them, they<br><br/>will need to be sleeved before they will be usable. I'll pay shipping for<br><br/>cores for sleeving, just to keep them from being trashed.<br><br/><br><br/>thanks for reading,<br><br/><br><br/>--<br><br/>*******************************<br><br/>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br><br/>*******************************<br><br/><br><br/>_______________________________________________<br><br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org To unsubscribe or change<br><br/>subscription options, visit:<br><br/><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br><br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br><br/><br><br/><br><br/><br><br/>------------------------------<br><br/><br><br/>Message: 3<br><br/>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:56:57 -0700<br><br/>From: William Jahn <willjahn975@gmail.com><br><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Brake Hints!<br><br/>Message-ID:<br><br/> <CADD65r5fOmDY7brDfC1W9HvoMa5uTTC_s42eL1h3oNCPbRkx7Q@mail.gmail.com><br><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br/><br><br/>I worry about how long it's been since I replaced all the old fluid. It's<br><br/>not that I never did , I remove as much from the reservoir then add new.<br><br/>It's been since 98 since I replaced all the fluid. And new MCs are not<br><br/>cheap. I read somewhere even new ones sitting too long , even plugged might<br><br/>need new seals. I read this , but I don't know how true it is.<br><br/><br><br/>On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 11:05 PM <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:<br><br/><br><br/><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="3" bgcolor="#888888"></td><td width="3"></td><td width="3"></td><td>I've been doing a lot of brake part rebuilding for Type 3 people this<br><br/>summer, and one thing<br><br/>that I've noticed is that nobody does anything about their brake<br><br/>hydraulics as long as it works.<br><br/><br><br/>I'm writing to encourage everyone to take a bit of time to flush fresh<br><br/>brake fluid thru their<br><br/>system every few years. Suck the old fluid out of the reservoir, refill<br><br/>with fresh, dry, DoT-4,<br><br/>and flush this thru all 4 wheels until everything comes out clean.<br><br/><br><br/>Standard brake fluid likes to absorb moisture right out of the air. It<br><br/>does that even if you live in<br><br/>a dry climate. When it does that, it becomes corrosive. There are several<br><br/>places where this is<br><br/>a problem: the mouth of the MC (master cylinder) is the worst of these.<br><br/>I'm seeing MC after<br><br/>MC this summer with pitting just inside the mouth that has rendered<br><br/>another MC as<br><br/>un-rebuildable.<br><br/><br><br/>I used to see NOS OEM Type 3 MCs on ebay for about $125, but those seem to<br><br/>have<br><br/>disappeared. The price is now ~$US250, and there don't seem to be many of<br><br/>those. The<br><br/>price will be going up.<br><br/><br><br/>I can send pitted MCs out to be sleeved. That increases your cost from $65<br><br/>(rebuilding) to<br><br/>around $200 (sleeving and rebuilding.) Sleeving is a great option, as the<br><br/>stainless steel<br><br/>sleeve is a perfect match to the cast iron MC, but that extra expense can<br><br/>be avoided if you<br><br/>would just flush good quality DoT-4 brake fluid thru your systems every<br><br/>few years. This is<br><br/>cheap preventitive maintence. In the later years, VW started suggesting<br><br/>doing this every 2<br><br/>years. I think this is extreme for most of us, but most people NEVER do<br><br/>it, and that's an<br><br/>expensive mistake. Have you ever flushed YOUR brake system?<br><br/><br><br/>I HATE it when I have to email someone and tell them that their old MC is<br><br/>not rebuildable for<br><br/>a reasonable price. Don't be one of those people.<br><br/><br><br/>FYI, if you really care about your car and its brakes, switch to DoT-5<br><br/>Silicone Brake Fluid. It<br><br/>does not absorb moisture and it doesn't become corrosive when it sits in<br><br/>the car. It never<br><br/>needs to be flushed and replaced. I find that it extends the service<br><br/>interval for MCs, wheel<br><br/>cylinders, and brake calipers almost indefinitely. It costs more up front,<br><br/>but saves time,<br><br/>money and aggravation in the long run. I use it and recommend it for all<br><br/>Type 3s. I have a<br><br/>writeup on installing and using it. Email me if you want a copy.<br><br/><br><br/>And, BTW, if you have a few old Type 3 MCs lying around the garage floor,<br><br/>thinking they are<br><br/>your backup spares, they are now junk. If they have been sitting there<br><br/>for more than a few<br><br/>months with old brake fluid in them, they will need to be sleeved before<br><br/>they will be usable. I'll<br><br/>pay shipping for cores for sleeving, just to keep them from being trashed.<br><br/><br><br/>thanks for reading,<br><br/><br><br/>--<br><br/>*******************************<br><br/>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br><br/>*******************************<br><br/><br><br/>_______________________________________________<br><br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br><br/>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br><br/><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br><br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br><br/><br><br/></td></tr></table>-------------- next part --------------<br><br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br><br/>URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20220828/1bbd5290/attachment.htm">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20220828/1bbd5290/attachment.htm</a>><br><br/><br><br/>------------------------------<br><br/><br><br/>Message: 4<br><br/>Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2022 12:58:04 -0700<br><br/>From: William Jahn <willjahn975@gmail.com><br><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Brake Hints!<br><br/>Message-ID:<br><br/> <CADD65r5UmBkA+TGC-mtBaY9C_E6NNX+MUzTAgkxM+MvvgkW2mw@mail.gmail.com><br><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br/><br><br/>I'm not sure if gravity bleeding will make it possible to replace the fluid.<br><br/><br><br/><br><br/>On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 12:56 PM William Jahn <willjahn975@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br/><br><br/><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="3" bgcolor="#888888"></td><td width="3"></td><td width="3"></td><td>I worry about how long it's been since I replaced all the old fluid. It's<br><br/>not that I never did , I remove as much from the reservoir then add new.<br><br/>It's been since 98 since I replaced all the fluid. And new MCs are not<br><br/>cheap. I read somewhere even new ones sitting too long , even plugged might<br><br/>need new seals. I read this , but I don't know how true it is.<br><br/><br><br/>On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 11:05 PM <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:<br><br/><br><br/><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="3" bgcolor="#888888"></td><td width="3"></td><td width="3"></td><td>I've been doing a lot of brake part rebuilding for Type 3 people this<br><br/>summer, and one thing<br><br/>that I've noticed is that nobody does anything about their brake<br><br/>hydraulics as long as it works.<br><br/><br><br/>I'm writing to encourage everyone to take a bit of time to flush fresh<br><br/>brake fluid thru their<br><br/>system every few years. Suck the old fluid out of the reservoir, refill<br><br/>with fresh, dry, DoT-4,<br><br/>and flush this thru all 4 wheels until everything comes out clean.<br><br/><br><br/>Standard brake fluid likes to absorb moisture right out of the air. It<br><br/>does that even if you live in<br><br/>a dry climate. When it does that, it becomes corrosive. There are several<br><br/>places where this is<br><br/>a problem: the mouth of the MC (master cylinder) is the worst of these.<br><br/>I'm seeing MC after<br><br/>MC this summer with pitting just inside the mouth that has rendered<br><br/>another MC as<br><br/>un-rebuildable.<br><br/><br><br/>I used to see NOS OEM Type 3 MCs on ebay for about $125, but those seem<br><br/>to have<br><br/>disappeared. The price is now ~$US250, and there don't seem to be many of<br><br/>those. The<br><br/>price will be going up.<br><br/><br><br/>I can send pitted MCs out to be sleeved. That increases your cost from<br><br/>$65 (rebuilding) to<br><br/>around $200 (sleeving and rebuilding.) Sleeving is a great option, as the<br><br/>stainless steel<br><br/>sleeve is a perfect match to the cast iron MC, but that extra expense can<br><br/>be avoided if you<br><br/>would just flush good quality DoT-4 brake fluid thru your systems every<br><br/>few years. This is<br><br/>cheap preventitive maintence. In the later years, VW started suggesting<br><br/>doing this every 2<br><br/>years. I think this is extreme for most of us, but most people NEVER do<br><br/>it, and that's an<br><br/>expensive mistake. Have you ever flushed YOUR brake system?<br><br/><br><br/>I HATE it when I have to email someone and tell them that their old MC is<br><br/>not rebuildable for<br><br/>a reasonable price. Don't be one of those people.<br><br/><br><br/>FYI, if you really care about your car and its brakes, switch to DoT-5<br><br/>Silicone Brake Fluid. It<br><br/>does not absorb moisture and it doesn't become corrosive when it sits in<br><br/>the car. It never<br><br/>needs to be flushed and replaced. I find that it extends the service<br><br/>interval for MCs, wheel<br><br/>cylinders, and brake calipers almost indefinitely. It costs more up<br><br/>front, but saves time,<br><br/>money and aggravation in the long run. I use it and recommend it for all<br><br/>Type 3s. I have a<br><br/>writeup on installing and using it. Email me if you want a copy.<br><br/><br><br/>And, BTW, if you have a few old Type 3 MCs lying around the garage floor,<br><br/>thinking they are<br><br/>your backup spares, they are now junk. If they have been sitting there<br><br/>for more than a few<br><br/>months with old brake fluid in them, they will need to be sleeved before<br><br/>they will be usable. I'll<br><br/>pay shipping for cores for sleeving, just to keep them from being trashed.<br><br/><br><br/>thanks for reading,<br><br/><br><br/>--<br><br/>*******************************<br><br/>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br><br/>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br><br/>*******************************<br><br/><br><br/>_______________________________________________<br><br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br><br/>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br><br/><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br><br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br><br/><br><br/></td></tr></table><br><br/></td></tr></table>-------------- next part --------------<br><br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br><br/>URL: <<a target="_blank" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20220828/86670426/attachment.htm">http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20220828/86670426/attachment.htm</a>><br><br/><br><br/>------------------------------<br><br/><br><br/>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br/><br><br/>_______________________________________________<br><br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br><br/>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br><br/><a target="_blank" href="http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org">http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org</a><br><br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br><br/><br><br/><br><br/>------------------------------<br><br/><br><br/>End of type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 143, Issue 10<br><br/>**************************************************<br><br/></div></body></html>