<div dir="ltr"><div> I was thinking about this idle speed problem last night. I went through what I thought it might be and then I still don't feel I have found the problem. <br></div><div>Just because the timing did return to the base setting and then advances does not mean the distributor is hanging. It could still be a vacuum leak or any number of issues. <br></div><div><br></div><div> All I have ruled out so far is the AAR does close once driven because running I felt no change in the idle speed blocking off the oil bath hose. I don't see any suspect hoses or lose connections. I could not change the idle by moving any vacuum hoses and I am willing to replace all of them again. <br></div><div><br></div><div> I did replace the intake gaskets with the proper ones and recall when I did that I forgot to torque the left side #3 & #4. Ionly drove it a few miles and checked both sides again and found the right side needed a bit of a re torque just 1 ft lb so it was not loose.</div><div><br></div><div> Now I am not sure where to go with this. I do know it does not miss fire and the MPG has not changed. It accelerates fine with no bogging or hesitation. No bucking. It starts fine , the only issue with that is the start after it sits for a day then I need to use the primer switch to wait until the air is purged and it fires right up. Once it starts it will start all day long no issue. <br></div><div><br></div><div> I thought of the TPS. All I know is it is adjusted properly and I hear all the clicks , since it accelerates smoothly I have to wonder at idle is it possible for it to cause this. I've never run across that before. Only know if it is adjusted wrong it won't idle well. I do have two I got from George/Tram along with a few MPS of the same type as the one on this car , not the same part number but I used one before that was the same type wrong number and it worked just like the proper one. I have 2 ECU he sent that are not the right number. Also a good wire harness from an earlier year right before VW added the EGR system all it is missing is the EGR circuit which I don't need. And it has all the plug boots, all of mine are either missing or barely exist. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Some history.</div><div> To be quite honest. When I decided to replace all the lines and gaskets I was after an issue chasing an erratic miss. that I could only feel and hear at idle . If I was near the tail pipe I could hear it as well as feel it. The only thing that stopped it was to disconnect the IAD temp sensor. I went down the road of adjusting the MPS I had in the car at the time , the wrong number of the same exact type and was told to get the engine hot and plug in the temp sensor and adjust the MPS till the miss stopped. I did and it worked but not long after it would not start . I had the proper one on the bracket from before I never tampered with and the test one held with one bolt on the same bracket . All I did was move the connector and vacuum line back to the proper one and it fired right up . The one I have on it , the proper part was brand new and not even tarnished. <br></div><div><br></div><div> To attempt to explain the erratic miss. It was not one cylinder , it was random and affected all . I could not isolate it by pulling a plug wire. If I had the engine running, trans in park and gently gave it gas the RPM would rise up and down by 100 RPM , even if I held the pedal steady it would do the same thing. The only time the RPM would offer a smooth transition was when it was past the 2500 RPM mark then pressing or holding the pedal the up/down idle would cease. And the same thing the miss felt and heard at the tailpipe. <br></div><div><br></div><div> Point is with the last bit of ramble is changing all those hoses and gaskets and everything else I did, did not change one tiny thing. It did not run any better or idle any better . The fix was to unplug the temp sensor. I felt better doing this job because all the hoses and seals were long overdue and the 4 runner hoses were oil soaked and just plain old. <br></div><div><br></div><div> I am fine with that temp sensor unplugged , I have read with it unplugged the mix richens up by 10% , this was proven by adjusting the MPS , I turned the one allen head screw adjustment toward the richer end. I am not going there again. <br></div><div><br></div><div> Now all I have to do is find out what is causing this insane idle speed and being that it is in a sense intermittent all I can do is try to pin it down and if it means trying the simple parts first to see, it becomes a hit of miss and not the way I prefer to do things. I do have a good understanding of how this system works . It's just a difficult simple system that there is no tool to diagnose other than electrical tests and visuals.. <br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 11:23 PM <<a href="mailto:jadney@vwtype3.org">jadney@vwtype3.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 10 Jun 2023 at 16:46, William Jahn wrote:<br>
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> I got new Intake gaskets from you Jim. I did this work at the end of 2019<br>
> . I cleaned everything and even sealed the IAD back cover gasket using<br>
> silicone on both sides. Let it set up the 4 bolts loose then when dry<br>
> tightened them. I replaced every vacuum hose and the injector seals and<br>
> all the fuel line . I made certain the IAD lined up perfectly with the<br>
> runners , and had to bend 2 slightly.<br>
<br>
Okay, sounds like you've got all those things covered.<br>
<br>
Have you checked the tightness of the two screws for the cold start valve?<br>
<br>
How about the hoses for the AT vacuum modulator?<br>
<br>
Does your engine still have the EGR valve and plumbing? If so, have you blocked it off? <br>
Checked the short hose that connects the 2-piece pipe to the IAD? (I made a blockoff plate <br>
for the flange to the EGR valve inlet and sealed it with one of those tiny VW metal manifold <br>
warmup gaskets. The heat exchanger also got a blockoff plate and gasket. My EGR filter fell <br>
apart and has been completely removed.)<br>
<br>
You could try flushing out the idle air channel with something like WD-40. And check the <br>
'72-3 crankcase breather that vents into the IAD cover; could there be something intermittent <br>
there? (Flush the breather port in the cover and the PCV valve in the breather box with <br>
WD-40 to make sure they're not clogged with gooey oil.)<br>
<br>
Keith's suggestion of looking for a leak with an unlit propane torch is always something to <br>
consider, but I've always found this to be hard to interpret. Maybe I've just never come across <br>
a large enough leak.<br>
<br>
If all those seem okay, yeah, maybe there's a problem with the distributor. You should be <br>
able to see if the timing always comes back to the same point at idle with a timing light, but, <br>
again, that's hard to interpret, since the timing SHOULD change between 800 and 1400 <br>
RPM. Maybe you can just watch how it moves as you move the throttle and RPMs up and <br>
down.<br>
<br>
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Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br>
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