<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> </head> <body><div class="auto-created-dir-div" dir="auto" style="unicode-bidi: embed;"><style>p{margin:0}</style>Yes. Type 3 Twin Carburettor Models were available in probably all markets except the USA until the end of production in 1973 1974. My October 1972 Type 3 Variant is a 1600A Twin Carburettor Automatic Transmission Right Hand Drive United Kingdom Model. Don’t know who ordered it New from a U.K. VW Dealer but Automatic Transmission with Automatic Choke Twin Carburettors is a terrible combination ! Fuel Injected Auto Transmission Models are great by comparison !<br/><br/>------ Original Message ------<br/>On Thursday, 7 Sep, 23 At 20:50, type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org wrote:<br/><br/>Send type3-vwtype3.org mailing list submissions to<br/> type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org<br/><br/>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br/> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br/> type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org<br/><br/>You can reach the person managing the list at<br/> type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org<br/><br/>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br/>than "Re: Contents of type3-vwtype3.org digest..."<br/><br/><br/>***********************************<br/>When replying to the digest, please remember to trim your message. 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Re: 69 Notchback wiring harness (Larry Thrasher)<br/><br/><br/>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 1<br/>Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 21:52:54 -0500<br/>From: Jeff Palmer <w.jeff.palmer@icloud.com><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: [T3] 69 Notchback wiring harness<br/>Message-ID: <CC3F89C1-9C9E-4552-8516-E03AD5478FE7@icloud.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br/><br/>The Notchback is on the road but lots of work remains!<br/><br/>I have the odd electrical gremlin. Random blown fuses. At what point do you replace the entire harness? I don?t generally replace parts randomly but does wiring ?wear out?? Is this preventative maintenance or overkill?<br/><br/>My 69 is fuel injected but the FI harness is generally not included. Were 69s carbureted in some markets?<br/><br/>Thanks<br/>Jeff<br/>Sent from my iPhone<br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 2<br/>Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2023 12:23:30 -0500<br/>From: "Jim Adney" <jadney@vwtype3.org><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: Re: [T3] 69 Notchback wiring harness<br/>Message-ID: <64FA0712.25729.5661B07@jadney.vwtype3.org><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br/><br/>On 6 Sep 2023 at 21:52, Jeff Palmer wrote:<br/><br/>> The Notchback is on the road but lots of work remains!<br/><br/>Congratulations! I'm sure that has been a lot of work, but it's rewarding work.<br/><br/>> I have the odd electrical gremlin. Random blown fuses. At what point do<br/>> you replace the entire harness? I donTMt generally replace parts randomly<br/>> but does wiring wear out?? Is this preventative maintenance or<br/>> overkill?<br/><br/>Old wires don't "wear out." I think the only time I might be tempted to replace <br/>an entire harness would be if the original had been destroyed in a fire. Part <br/>of the problem is that the replacements you can buy are "generic", so you <br/>won't be able to buy an exact replacement that duplicates all the original <br/>features of your car. By the time you get everything sorted out, you'd have <br/>been better off simply troubleshooting and repairing your OE harness.<br/><br/>> My 69 is fuel injected but the FI harness is generally not included. Were<br/>> 69s carbureted in some markets?<br/><br/>Most '69 Notches came with carbs. There are very few FI Notches still on the <br/>road, which makes this worth saving. You should be able to use any FI <br/>harness from any FI '68-9 Type 3. They are out there, you just have to find <br/>the right junkyard. I probably have one in poor condition, which could get <br/>you started.<br/><br/><br/>-- <br/>*******************************<br/>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>*******************************<br/><br/><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 3<br/>Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2023 12:23:30 -0500<br/>From: "Jim Adney" <jadney@vwtype3.org><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Subframe bushings lubrication<br/>Message-ID: <64FA0712.754.56619CF@jadney.vwtype3.org><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br/><br/>The OE lubricant is most likely something like soap or soap solution. Any <br/>exposed stuff would have gotten washed away decades ago, but any that <br/>was sheltered might just look gummy. It might be interesting to test it to see if <br/>it was water soluble.<br/><br/>On 6 Sep 2023 at 12:45, Joe Plowick III wrote:<br/><br/>> Ok, that makes sense. The bushing sets on the torsion tube and at the top<br/>> of the shock towers had its lubrication between the rubber and the metal<br/>> sleeve that runs between the top and bottom bushing. At least it appeared<br/>> to be a grease-type substance. Didn't notice anything on the exterior of<br/>> the bushings, but that would be gone after all these years anyways. I had<br/>> thought about using a dry graphite lubricant for it so it wouldn't attract<br/>> dirt.<br/>> <br/>> Joe P.<br/>> <br/>> <br/>> On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 12:23AM <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:<br/>> <br/>> > What you want is something that lubricates long enough to get the bushing<br/>> > installed, but that<br/>> > then dries and forces the rubber to "squirm" internally thereafter. If you<br/>> > give it a nice external<br/>> > lube, it will slip and rub and wear. You don't want that.<br/>> ><br/>> > Soap and water, or just plain liquid soap, usually works nicely.<br/>> ><br/>> > --<br/>> > *******************************<br/>> > Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>> > Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>> > *******************************<br/>> ><br/>> > _______________________________________________<br/>> > VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> > http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> > If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>> ><br/>> -------------- next part --------------<br/>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>> URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20230906/429ffe05/attachment.htm><br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/><br/><br/>-- <br/>*******************************<br/>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>*******************************<br/><br/><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 4<br/>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 10:42:06 -0700<br/>From: William Hoyer <wjhoyer@gmail.com><br/>To: Type 3 VW Club <type3@vwtype3.org><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] 69 Notchback wiring harness<br/>Message-ID:<br/> <CAF5QZeARdp7jH8Ge=Yd4VZZySiGwnjiXEr=zzYEHQftZxajuug@mail.gmail.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br/><br/>You may have some wires that have open ( not insulated) sections that bumps<br/>cause them to short out. A friend had one of the wires to the carb choke<br/>fall off and shorted causing the entire harness to the rear to short out on<br/>his 70 squareback. Smoke was coming out from under the dash as well as<br/>along the harness. He replaced the entire harness, back & front. For my 65<br/>Notch and his 70 square we found that the harness from ISP West were very<br/>good.<br/><br/>On Thu, Sep 7, 2023, 10:24 AM Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:<br/><br/>> On 6 Sep 2023 at 21:52, Jeff Palmer wrote:<br/>><br/>> > The Notchback is on the road but lots of work remains!<br/>><br/>> Congratulations! I'm sure that has been a lot of work, but it's rewarding<br/>> work.<br/>><br/>> > I have the odd electrical gremlin. Random blown fuses. At what point do<br/>> > you replace the entire harness? I donTMt generally replace parts randomly<br/>> > but does wiring wear out? Is this preventative maintenance or<br/>> > overkill?<br/>><br/>> Old wires don't "wear out." I think the only time I might be tempted to<br/>> replace<br/>> an entire harness would be if the original had been destroyed in a fire.<br/>> Part<br/>> of the problem is that the replacements you can buy are "generic", so you<br/>> won't be able to buy an exact replacement that duplicates all the original<br/>> features of your car. By the time you get everything sorted out, you'd<br/>> have<br/>> been better off simply troubleshooting and repairing your OE harness.<br/>><br/>> > My 69 is fuel injected but the FI harness is generally not included. Were<br/>> > 69s carbureted in some markets?<br/>><br/>> Most '69 Notches came with carbs. There are very few FI Notches still on<br/>> the<br/>> road, which makes this worth saving. You should be able to use any FI<br/>> harness from any FI '68-9 Type 3. They are out there, you just have to<br/>> find<br/>> the right junkyard. I probably have one in poor condition, which could get<br/>> you started.<br/>><br/>><br/>> --<br/>> *******************************<br/>> Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>> Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>> *******************************<br/>><br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>><br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20230907/42888c03/attachment.htm><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 5<br/>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 18:34:41 +0000 (UTC)<br/>From: "bobsnotch@aol.com" <bobsnotch@aol.com><br/>To: Type 3 VW Club <type3@vwtype3.org><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] 69 Notchback wiring harness<br/>Message-ID: <1322991471.6450620.1694111681257@mail.yahoo.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br/><br/> This has been discussed over on The Samba a few times, as the wiring harness that ISP West sells is for non-FI cars. To use it for an FI car one would need to add 3 wires to make it work correctly. Those 3 wires are to power up the FI system.Bob 65 Notch S with a factory Sunroof<br/><br/> On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 01:42:55 PM EDT, William Hoyer <wjhoyer@gmail.com> wrote: <br/> <br/> You may have some wires that have open ( not insulated) sections that bumps<br/>cause them to short out. A friend had one of the wires to the carb choke<br/>fall off and shorted causing the entire harness to the rear to short out on<br/>his 70 squareback. Smoke was coming out from under the dash as well as<br/>along the harness. He replaced the entire harness, back & front. For my 65<br/>Notch and his 70 square we found that the harness from ISP West were very<br/>good.<br/><br/><br/>><br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>><br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20230907/42888c03/attachment.htm><br/>_______________________________________________<br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/> <br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20230907/456440f9/attachment.htm><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 6<br/>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC)<br/>From: Larry Thrasher <larryt3162@yahoo.com><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: Re: [T3] 69 Notchback wiring harness<br/>Message-ID: <209212190.3468642.1694116243830@mail.yahoo.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br/><br/>I have a VW NOS Fi harness, but I think it's for a later (C/D ?) computer. I have at least one other FI harness, but I'm not sure what? year/ computer version it's for.?<br/><br/>LT <br/> <br/> On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 12:24 PM, Jim Adney<jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote: On 6 Sep 2023 at 21:52, Jeff Palmer wrote:<br/><br/>> The Notchback is on the road but lots of work remains!<br/><br/>Congratulations! I'm sure that has been a lot of work, but it's rewarding work.<br/><br/>> I have the odd electrical gremlin. Random blown fuses. At what point do<br/>> you replace the entire harness? I donTMt generally replace parts randomly<br/>> but does wiring wear out?? Is this preventative maintenance or<br/>> overkill?<br/><br/>Old wires don't "wear out." I think the only time I might be tempted to replace <br/>an entire harness would be if the original had been destroyed in a fire. Part <br/>of the problem is that the replacements you can buy are "generic", so you <br/>won't be able to buy an exact replacement that duplicates all the original <br/>features of your car. By the time you get everything sorted out, you'd have <br/>been better off simply troubleshooting and repairing your OE harness.<br/><br/>> My 69 is fuel injected but the FI harness is generally not included. Were<br/>> 69s carbureted in some markets?<br/><br/>Most '69 Notches came with carbs. There are very few FI Notches still on the <br/>road, which makes this worth saving. You should be able to use any FI <br/>harness from any FI '68-9 Type 3. They are out there, you just have to find <br/>the right junkyard. 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