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I got in touch with EFFBE who kindly sent some to me Free of Charge. <br/><br/>I have also been able to buy Reconditioned Pierburg Type 3 and Beetle ( Bug ) Mechanical Pumps from eBay in Germany. <br/><br/>You will find there is a guy in the USA ( Utah ? ) vintagewerks.com who Reconditions VW Fuel Pumps and Distributors. <br/><br/>Steve U<br/><br/>------ Original Message ------<br/>On Thursday, 14 Dec, 23 At 19:11, type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org wrote:<br/><br/>Send type3-vwtype3.org mailing list submissions to<br/> type3-vwtype3.org@lists.vwtype3.org<br/><br/>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br/> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br/> type3-vwtype3.org-request@lists.vwtype3.org<br/><br/>You can reach the person managing the list at<br/> type3-vwtype3.org-owner@lists.vwtype3.org<br/><br/>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br/>than "Re: Contents of type3-vwtype3.org digest..."<br/><br/><br/>***********************************<br/>When replying to the digest, please remember to trim your message. 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Re: Mechanical Fuel pump kit (Joe Plowick III)<br/><br/><br/>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 1<br/>Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 21:15:25 -0500<br/>From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com><br/>To: <type3@vwtype3.org><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] 2024 Invasion Updates!<br/>Message-ID: <000e01da2e33$66a12ea0$33e38be0$@nycap.rr.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br/><br/>Thanks John for updating the site! I got my own room at the stonehouse<br/>reserved this week and owner was stoked about <br/>Seeing all the old vw's!! Ill be talking with the town clerk about details,<br/>like if we can get a group rate to go up Mt defiance in the next couple<br/>weeks and plan to be up there<br/>After Christmas to case out some cruise routes and photo ops.<br/><br/>This is gonna be awesome!!!<br/><br/>Keith<br/><br/><br/>Topnotch Restorations<br/>topnotch@nycap.rr.com<br/>http://www.topnotchresto.com<br/>71 Squareback? ?Hothe?<br/>65 Notchback? ?El Baja Rojo?<br/>93 RX7? ?Redstur?<br/>13 Subaru?Outback?"Blendin"<br/><br/>-----Original Message-----<br/>From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org> On<br/>Behalf Of John Jaranson<br/>Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 12:17 AM<br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: Re: [T3] 2024 Invasion Updates!<br/><br/>Updated the Invasion website by adding some more Invaders to the List and<br/>Map. I also put up a preliminary Schedule of Events, FAQs, and some<br/>Maps/Directions.<br/><br/>Check it all out at https://www.carartbyjohn.com/2024Invasion/index.html<br/><br/>Keep sending your info to get added. Remember there is no registration fee<br/>or obligation. We just keep the list to help us plan and to help Invaders<br/>maybe organize a caravan with fellow Invaders coming from the same area.<br/><br/>Will continue to add more content and details as we work them out.<br/><br/>John<br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL:<br/><http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231213/a<br/>51a32a0/attachment.htm><br/>_______________________________________________<br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org To unsubscribe or change<br/>subscription options, visit:<br/>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/><br/><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 2<br/>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:16:08 -0600<br/>From: Joe Plowick III <gtixpress@gmail.com><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit<br/>Message-ID:<br/> <CAAAV1UsqGhutDkNuWwUzbAbM1565fJx86MPrPiPw1z65iCpuAA@mail.gmail.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br/><br/>I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm<br/>for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for<br/>these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is starting<br/>to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it apart<br/>and moving it a little usually gets it working again.<br/><br/>https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz<br/><br/>Thanks,<br/>Joe P.<br/>'69 Squareback<br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/fada36dc/attachment.htm><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 3<br/>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 12:01:56 -0600<br/>From: "Jim Adney" <jadney@vwtype3.org><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit<br/>Message-ID: <657B4314.7833.4736D6B@jadney.vwtype3.org><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII<br/><br/>On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:<br/><br/>> I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm<br/>> for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for<br/>> these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is starting<br/>> to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it apart<br/>> and moving it a little usually gets it working again.<br/>> <br/>> https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz<br/><br/>It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the check <br/>valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not work.<br/><br/>I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old <br/>rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to get <br/>quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try would be to <br/>let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.<br/><br/>If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline <br/>side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the rubber.<br/><br/>I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more likely to <br/>break it. <br/><br/>I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are getting <br/>scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.<br/><br/>I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your own. <br/>This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have <br/>to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.<br/><br/>-- <br/>*******************************<br/>Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>*******************************<br/><br/><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 4<br/>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 12:42:47 -0600<br/>From: Joe Plowick III <gtixpress@gmail.com><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit<br/>Message-ID:<br/> <CAAAV1Ut3OORXjDZ7YCc8FKo7iyBX5c4p-HyGat-NzNSnZj2omw@mail.gmail.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br/><br/>The issue appears to be the diaphragm getting stiff. The pump had worked<br/>beautifully before, but then I hadn't ran the engine for a few months.<br/>When I tried it again, it wasn't pumping fuel. I removed the top cover and<br/>the diaphragm wasn't very flexible. I sprayed everything out with carb<br/>cleaner and flexed the diaphragm which freed it up. After that, it started<br/>working again. The rest of the pump inside looked brand new. I just<br/>haven't come across a replacement that matches. I have a Pierburg pump as<br/>well that didn't work for me last time I tried, and probably needs a<br/>rebuild as well. I may have to dig that one out and see if it's got a<br/>different design and better parts availability.<br/><br/>Joe P.<br/><br/><br/>On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:03?PM Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:<br/><br/>> On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:<br/>><br/>> > I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm<br/>> > for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for<br/>> > these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is<br/>> starting<br/>> > to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it<br/>> apart<br/>> > and moving it a little usually gets it working again.<br/>> ><br/>> > https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz<br/>><br/>> It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the<br/>> check<br/>> valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not<br/>> work.<br/>><br/>> I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old<br/>> rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to<br/>> get<br/>> quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try<br/>> would be to<br/>> let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.<br/>><br/>> If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline<br/>> side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the<br/>> rubber.<br/>><br/>> I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more<br/>> likely to<br/>> break it.<br/>><br/>> I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are<br/>> getting<br/>> scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.<br/>><br/>> I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your<br/>> own.<br/>> This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have<br/>> to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.<br/>><br/>> --<br/>> *******************************<br/>> Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>> Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>> *******************************<br/>><br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>><br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/76f0c8f2/attachment.htm><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 5<br/>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:46:04 +0000<br/>From: Brion Sabbatino <brionsab@msn.com><br/>To: "type3@vwtype3.org" <type3@vwtype3.org><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit<br/>Message-ID:<br/> <PH7PR84MB195999D096E2DE2E378A360CCD8CA@PH7PR84MB1959.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM><br/> <br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br/><br/>I did a quick Google search. Rebuild kits came up. One must be correct for your pump. Post on the Samba. Someone must have the way forward.<br/><br/>Beion S<br/><br/><br/>________________________________<br/>From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org> on behalf of Joe Plowick III <gtixpress@gmail.com><br/>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:42:47 AM<br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org <type3@vwtype3.org><br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit<br/><br/>The issue appears to be the diaphragm getting stiff. The pump had worked<br/>beautifully before, but then I hadn't ran the engine for a few months.<br/>When I tried it again, it wasn't pumping fuel. I removed the top cover and<br/>the diaphragm wasn't very flexible. I sprayed everything out with carb<br/>cleaner and flexed the diaphragm which freed it up. After that, it started<br/>working again. The rest of the pump inside looked brand new. I just<br/>haven't come across a replacement that matches. I have a Pierburg pump as<br/>well that didn't work for me last time I tried, and probably needs a<br/>rebuild as well. I may have to dig that one out and see if it's got a<br/>different design and better parts availability.<br/><br/>Joe P.<br/><br/><br/>On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:03?PM Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:<br/><br/>> On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:<br/>><br/>> > I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm<br/>> > for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for<br/>> > these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is<br/>> starting<br/>> > to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it<br/>> apart<br/>> > and moving it a little usually gets it working again.<br/>> ><br/>> > https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz<br/>><br/>> It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the<br/>> check<br/>> valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not<br/>> work.<br/>><br/>> I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old<br/>> rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to<br/>> get<br/>> quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try<br/>> would be to<br/>> let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.<br/>><br/>> If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline<br/>> side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the<br/>> rubber.<br/>><br/>> I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more<br/>> likely to<br/>> break it.<br/>><br/>> I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are<br/>> getting<br/>> scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.<br/>><br/>> I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your<br/>> own.<br/>> This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have<br/>> to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.<br/>><br/>> --<br/>> *******************************<br/>> Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>> Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>> *******************************<br/>><br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>><br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/76f0c8f2/attachment.htm><br/>_______________________________________________<br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/8622ab87/attachment.htm><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Message: 6<br/>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:11:14 -0600<br/>From: Joe Plowick III <gtixpress@gmail.com><br/>To: type3@vwtype3.org<br/>Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit<br/>Message-ID:<br/> <CAAAV1UvUZSc+Ei-MO77F2TDD_vEmJSeeRfn8w_s-bBOESQ4i7w@mail.gmail.com><br/>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br/><br/>By what I saw, it would appear that the Brosol is a clone of the Pierburg<br/>pumps. I've seen some rebuild kits but they didn't look like what I saw in<br/>the pump, but I could be wrong. Although with some of the prices I was<br/>seeing, it would probably be cheaper to get my aftermarket electric pump<br/>working. I just didn't want the hassle of the additional wiring for it.<br/><br/>On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:46?PM Brion Sabbatino <brionsab@msn.com> wrote:<br/><br/>> I did a quick Google search. Rebuild kits came up. One must be correct for<br/>> your pump. Post on the Samba. Someone must have the way forward.<br/>><br/>> Beion S<br/>><br/>><br/>> ________________________________<br/>> From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@lists.vwtype3.org> on<br/>> behalf of Joe Plowick III <gtixpress@gmail.com><br/>> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:42:47 AM<br/>> To: type3@vwtype3.org <type3@vwtype3.org><br/>> Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit<br/>><br/>> The issue appears to be the diaphragm getting stiff. The pump had worked<br/>> beautifully before, but then I hadn't ran the engine for a few months.<br/>> When I tried it again, it wasn't pumping fuel. I removed the top cover and<br/>> the diaphragm wasn't very flexible. I sprayed everything out with carb<br/>> cleaner and flexed the diaphragm which freed it up. After that, it started<br/>> working again. The rest of the pump inside looked brand new. I just<br/>> haven't come across a replacement that matches. I have a Pierburg pump as<br/>> well that didn't work for me last time I tried, and probably needs a<br/>> rebuild as well. I may have to dig that one out and see if it's got a<br/>> different design and better parts availability.<br/>><br/>> Joe P.<br/>><br/>><br/>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:03?PM Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> wrote:<br/>><br/>> > On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:<br/>> ><br/>> > > I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new<br/>> diaphragm<br/>> > > for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits<br/>> for<br/>> > > these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is<br/>> > starting<br/>> > > to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it<br/>> > apart<br/>> > > and moving it a little usually gets it working again.<br/>> > ><br/>> > > https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz<br/>> ><br/>> > It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the<br/>> > check<br/>> > valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not<br/>> > work.<br/>> ><br/>> > I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old<br/>> > rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to<br/>> > get<br/>> > quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try<br/>> > would be to<br/>> > let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.<br/>> ><br/>> > If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline<br/>> > side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the<br/>> > rubber.<br/>> ><br/>> > I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more<br/>> > likely to<br/>> > break it.<br/>> ><br/>> > I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are<br/>> > getting<br/>> > scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.<br/>> ><br/>> > I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your<br/>> > own.<br/>> > This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have<br/>> > to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.<br/>> ><br/>> > --<br/>> > *******************************<br/>> > Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org<br/>> > Madison, Wisconsin, USA<br/>> > *******************************<br/>> ><br/>> > _______________________________________________<br/>> > VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> > http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> > If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>> ><br/>> -------------- next part --------------<br/>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>> URL: <<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/76f0c8f2/attachment.htm<br/>> ><br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>> -------------- next part --------------<br/>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>> URL: <<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/8622ab87/attachment.htm<br/>> ><br/>> _______________________________________________<br/>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>> If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/>><br/>-------------- next part --------------<br/>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br/>URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/ca6503ef/attachment.htm><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>Subject: Digest Footer<br/><br/>_______________________________________________<br/>VWType3.Org mailing list - type3@vwtype3.org<br/>To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:<br/>http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org<br/>If you need more help, contact: gregm@vwtype3.org<br/><br/><br/>------------------------------<br/><br/>End of type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 157, Issue 5<br/>*************************************************<br/></div></body></html>