<div dir="auto">I agree with you. That's why I take trans to Tim who has all of the setup for them. When I was racing Vee's I reversed the ring & pinion but didn't get into the gears. Axles and things like that are easy but you really need the proper setup to get the internals right.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Bill</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, May 17, 2026, 6:42 PM Keith Park <<a href="mailto:topnotch@nycap.rr.com">topnotch@nycap.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Sounds like there are plenty of Oooopsiedingles possible when rebuilding<br>
these, they are still pretty much a black<br>
Box to me, the only thing I wont go into.<br>
<br>
Keith<br>
<br>
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65 Notchback “El Baja Rojo”<br>
93 RX7 “Redstur”<br>
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<br>
Keith,<br>
<br>
I understand that this is a fresh rebuild. So what was changed? From your<br>
previous emails, I'm guessing that you got a new 4th gear set and maybe new<br>
syncros. The other thing that changed is the assembly.<br>
<br>
All the other parts are the same, but they are just a bit more worn now. It<br>
seems unlikely that this tiny bit of extra wear pushed things over the edge,<br>
but it's still slightly possible. If there's wear in the 3-4 shift fork<br>
detent, that could also do it, but I don't expect those parts to wear.<br>
<br>
There are 3 lugs that hold things in position. They are pushed outwards by a<br>
spring. I suppose the spring could be weak or bent, or the lugs could be<br>
worn, or the thing they lock into could be worn. I'm now past my level of<br>
understanding. I should look at some of those parts again. Should I bring<br>
some to the Invasion?<br>
<br>
The other thing is the assembly. If the 3-4 shift fork is slightly<br>
misadjusted, that would do it. That has to be redone on each reassembly.<br>
<br>
Jim<br>
<br>
On 16 May 2026 at 20:53, Keith Park wrote:<br>
<br>
> Well that´s just the thing, this is a fresh rebuild and not a high <br>
> mileage tranny. He did put syncro's in it if I recall, It was low <br>
> mileage when he got it as the first build was at the tranny shop in <br>
> California, too bad they didn´t change the input Bearing and none of <br>
> this would have been an issue, it didn´t pop out after the first <br>
> build.<br>
> <br>
> My builder as to go in again anyway, so any wear on the shift forks <br>
> can be taken care of then, I need it for the summer not only for the <br>
> invasion But to haul all my furniture up to the camp, and a couple <br>
> other long trips....<br>
> <br>
> Keith<br>
> <br>
> <br>
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> 71 Squareback "Hothe"<br>
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"<br>
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"<br>
> 13 Subaru Outback "Blendin"<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
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> On Behalf Of Jim Adney<br>
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2026 4:49 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:type3@vwtype3.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">type3@vwtype3.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [T3] 2026 Invasion Updates...<br>
> <br>
> Yes, it's unlikely to be the gear itself. The parts are held in mesh <br>
> by the springs that push 3 little lugs outwards against the inside of <br>
> a larger ring.<br>
> This is all part of the syncro ring assy. I don't know what wears when <br>
> this happens, but I've heard that something must wear, since this <br>
> seems to happen on high mileage trannys. I'd be concerned about bungie <br>
> cordiing the shift lever, as that would maintain side thrust and wear <br>
> on the shift fork and the slot it rides in.<br>
> <br>
> On 15 May 2026 at 22:46, Keith Park wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > Looks like Ill be bungie cording my shifter to keep it in 4th for <br>
> > the summer before I can rip it out again and hopefully Have it fixed <br>
> > right this time in October, I have a request on the Tranny tech <br>
> > session, a lesson on what holds them in gear, And why they pop out <br>
> > when they get<br>
> worn, or what is not doing its job if its not supposed to be worn. I <br>
> still don´t have a picture In my head of why it pops out but my <br>
> builder assures me its not the new 4th gear itself.<br>
> > <br>
> > Keith<br>
> <br>
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