[T3] Clutch question

Sun Nov 27 20:54:13 PST 2011

Great news ;-)

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From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of James Lingenfelter
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:09 PM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch question

   Final Episode of the clutch cable mystery..... I talked to my friend a couple of times this afternoon as he was fighting with the car. He finally determined that he must have an incorrect clutch cable that was too short, he remembered it being under an abnormal amount of tension when he took it apart.... so his next plan of attack was to pull the clutch cable out and replace it with a correct one. Then the back threaded end of the cable got caught in the tube while he was trying to pull it out through the front.... he pushed it back through, took a look in the rear, and voila, suddenly the cable will reach. No idea how this is possible, or what could've been wrong, but who cares, it works and he's driving it. I also passed on the info you guys gave me on the plate that is supposed to prevent the pedal from falling toward the rear of the car, and he was able to get that corrected also.
   So thanks to everybody for all the info, another evil project bites the dust.
   Jimmy

On Nov 27, 2011, at 1:29 PM, James Lingenfelter wrote:

> I'm not sure..... but nothing has been changed except the clutch.  
> The question is, how is it possible that this same cable worked fine 
> before, but with new clutch installed, is a full THREE INCHES too 
> short??? This baffles me. My plan is to call him this afternoon, see 
> if he's looked in the tunnel yet, and prod him for some more info, see 
> if I can shed any more light on this mystery.
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 11:04 AM, crash 69 wrote:
>
>> It really sounds to me like he's got the wrong cable.  There are many 
>> lengths of cable out there.  One needs to check the correct length 
>> (by the
>> book) in mm, then make sure it's that exact length.  Also, does he 
>> have the correct Bowden tube?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 2:59 PM, James Lingenfelter
>> <jimmyandcher at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I know, it really doesn't seem possible. Even if the hook had 
>>> rotated somehow, I still don't think it could account for the cable 
>>> being 3" too short. Is it possible the cable somehow came loose from 
>>> the hook during the clutch change, got hung up on something in the 
>>> tunnel? Again, he says the cable still moves with the pedal. I'm 
>>> just grasping at straws here.
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
>>>
>>>  Could be that the shaft has turned inside that the hook is attached 
>>> to
>>>> but I would think it would go the other way. IF it had turned that 
>>>> way then with the pedal up you could see that sort of difference in 
>>>> the cable position. Shure could use some pictures. Just not sure 
>>>> how you could turn it in the direction it would need to do that.
>>>>
>>>> I have a 74 standard bug I will see if I can get a picture of the 
>>>> pedal assembly it is not currently in the car.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@**lists.vwtype3.org<type3-
>>>> vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org>[mailto:
>>>> type3-vwtype3.org-**bounces at lists.vwtype3.org<type3-vwtype3.org-
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>>>> On Behalf Of James Lingenfelter
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:25 AM
>>>> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch question
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure of that yet.... I need to call him again today and get 
>>>> him to look in there. I'm just not familiar enough with how the 
>>>> pedal assembly goes together..... but is it possible that something 
>>>> is wacked out and the pedal and the lever inside the tunnel are not 
>>>> correctly aligned in relation to each other?
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 26, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  What the position of the lever that the cable attaches too?
>>>>> Is it straight up or leaning toward the bell housing or leaning 
>>>>> toward the front of the car?
>>>>> http://volkswageninsanity.us/**Postings/TRANS.jpg<http://
>>>>> volkswageninsanity.us/Postings/TRANS.jpg>
>>>>> Your right 1-2 inches is a lot something is not in the right place 
>>>>> to be that far off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@**lists.vwtype3.org<type3-
>>>>> vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org>[mailto:
>>>>> type3-
>>>>> vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.**vwtype3.org<vwtype3.org-
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>>>>> On Behalf Of James Lingenfelter
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:14 AM
>>>>> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch question
>>>>>
>>>>>  It's the same cable, but even if there was something off with the 
>>>>> throwout bearing, how could the cable end up being nearly 3 inches 
>>>>> too short? It seems to me that's significantly more than the 
>>>>> entire travel of the arm.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  There should be an adjustable plate on the floor behind the pedal
>>>>>> assembly that prevents the clutch from falling to the floor 
>>>>>> toward the seat.
>>>>>> Now one idea on the short cable, assuming that it's the same 
>>>>>> cable from before the new clutch, is the throw out bearing is not 
>>>>>> in its proper place or they gave him the wrong one. IIRC wasn't 
>>>>>> there different types depending on if the clutch had the fingers 
>>>>>> directly on the bearing or if it had fingers under a washer like 
>>>>>> pad?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces@**lists.vwtype3.org<type3-
>>>>>> vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org>[mailto:
>>>>>> type3-
>>>>>> vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.**vwtype3.org<vwtype3.org-
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>>>>>> On Behalf Of James
>>>>>> Lingenfelter
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 12:29 PM
>>>>>> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>>>>>> Subject: [T3] Clutch question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forgive me for asking a question about a type I on here, but you 
>>>>>> guys are a wealth of knowledge, and nobody else has been able to 
>>>>>> answer this question: a friend of mine just replaced the clutch 
>>>>>> in his '70 Beetle. Now that it's back together with the motor in, 
>>>>>> the clutch cable is 2-3" too short to reach the arm. How is this 
>>>>>> possible? One thing that sounds fishy to me is that he says he 
>>>>>> can rotate the clutch pedal all the way BACKWARD onto the floor 
>>>>>> TOWARD the driver seat.
>>>>>> Isn't there something within the pedal assembly that should 
>>>>>> absolutely prevent this? Is there something screwed up in the 
>>>>>> pedal assembly?
>>>>>>   Any help is greatly appreciated, this is his first experience 
>>>>>> with an aircooled VW, so he needs all the help he can get.
>>>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>>>    Jimmy
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