[T3] Car seats in a squareback

Chris cscsheridan at gmail.com
Sun Mar 11 09:49:57 PDT 2012


Not sure about a squareback, but my 1970 fastback had a blind hole pre  
drilled to accept a shoulder belt on each side of the rear seat in the  
hatch area. I simply pried off the white plastic factory cap on one  
side, and installed a shoulder belt from ta fastback front seat I  
found at the junkyard. Took both my babys home from the hospital in  
it- one in new York and one in California. See if you have the blind  
holes in your upper frame supports. If not, install new airport style  
lap belts and pull that carseat super tight to it and drive carefully  
for the first few years.

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>   1. Re: Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...) (Tony Rongey)
>   2. Re: Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...) (Jim Adney)
>   3. Re: Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...) (Dave Hall)
>   4. Re: Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...) (Tony Rongey)
>   5. Re: Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...) (Jim Adney)
>   6. Re: Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...) (Jim Adney)
>   7. Re: Child seats in a Squareback (Norman Roush)
>   8. Frustrating stalling problem (Norman Roush)
>   9. Re: Frustrating stalling problem (Jim Adney)
>  10. Re: Child seats in a Square (Bobsnotch at aol.com)
>  11. Re: Child seats in a Squareback (Keith Park)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:51:42 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tony Rongey <trongey at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Type3 List <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
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> It sure would have saved me a lot of aggravation if one of you guys  
> would have
> just told me my distributor cap was cracked.
>
>
> Tony
> '70 Fastback AT/FI
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Tony Rongey <trongey at sbcglobal.net>
> To: Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 7:17:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
>
>
> Well, I have a little new information.? Today was the first time I  
> had driven on
> the expressway since replacing the distributor.
>
> Everything was fine until I hit 50mph (previous trips had topped out  
> around
> 40).? It started backfiring through the muffler.? By the time I got  
> to 60 is was
> backfiring constantly, and I couldn't go any faster.? I ended up  
> exiting to
> slower streets to get to work, and the car was just fine going that  
> way.
> I tried going faster on the way home after the engine was fully  
> warmed up, and
> had exactly the same backfiring.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: Tony Rongey <trongey at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Mon, February 27, 2012 7:38:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
>
> On 26 Feb 2012 at 19:41, Tony Rongey wrote:
>
>> I've been driving it almost daily for about three or four years.?  
>> "Got it
>> running again" meant I got it running after swapping in the rebuilt  
>> distributor
>>
>> - the old one wouldn't seem to hold a steady advance.? When I  
>> stopped at an
>> intersection the engine acted like the ignition completely dropped  
>> out at
>> times.
>>
>> That's why I sent you the spares to rebuild.?
>>
>> I already replaced the overflow hose with one of your kits about a  
>> year ago.
>
> So there's no water in your gas tank, and you were having trouble
> with the old distributor, too. In this case, I'm pretty stumped. Your
> symptoms don't bring anything in particular to mind.
>
> There's one thing that I suggest you check: Look at the distributor
> clamp, and make sure that it sits right down flush against the top of
> the engine case when it's installed. The clamps sometimes get bent,
> and hold the distributor up above the case. When this happens, the
> distributor may not always make a good connection with the
> distributor drive gear. It can slip out and come out of time, and
> then slip back in and catch again.
>
> An easy way to check for this would be to grab the rotor and twist it
> without pushing down. You should not be able to turn it more than the
> few degrees that the mechanical advance allows.
>
> I don't see why this should be related to warmup, but I'm at a loss
> for any better ideas at this point.
>
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:45:31 -0600
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
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> On 10 Mar 2012 at 14:51, Tony Rongey wrote:
>
>> It sure would have saved me a lot of aggravation if one of you guys  
>> would have
>> just told me my distributor cap was cracked.
>
> ;-)
>
> Sorry about that, those cracks are pretty hard to see from here.
>
> I broke a few of those myself, many years ago. That was before I
> learned how to pop the retaining springs off without damaging the
> cap. Now I use a screwdriver under the bowed part of the spring and
> lever it outward. Using a screwdriver straight down from the top,
> between the end of the spring and the cap tends to break the cap.
>
> Glad to hear that you found your problem.
>
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 01:42:08 -0000
> From: "Dave Hall" <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
> Message-ID: <C9AFF9F1DF8641C2A6CCD08236E2F63D at DavidPC>
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> I remember snapping the clip back onto the Beetle distributor and it  
> knocked
> a chunk out of the side - I've treated them gently since then!
>
> We must see if we can persuade Claire Voyance to come on the  
> group...  I
> hear she's ace at seeing at a distance.  ;-)
>
> Dave.
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
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> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of  
> Jim Adney
> Sent: 10 March 2012 23:46
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
>
> On 10 Mar 2012 at 14:51, Tony Rongey wrote:
>
>> It sure would have saved me a lot of aggravation if one of you guys
>> would have just told me my distributor cap was cracked.
>
> ;-)
>
> Sorry about that, those cracks are pretty hard to see from here.
>
> I broke a few of those myself, many years ago. That was before I  
> learned how
> to pop the retaining springs off without damaging the cap. Now I use a
> screwdriver under the bowed part of the spring and lever it outward.  
> Using a
> screwdriver straight down from the top, between the end of the  
> spring and
> the cap tends to break the cap.
>
> Glad to hear that you found your problem.
>
> --
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> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:00:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Tony Rongey <trongey at sbcglobal.net>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
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> This was a vertical crack in the body of the cap next to one of the  
> terminals.
> Looks like a typical stress crack you'd see in metal that's not  
> annealed right.
> One of those basic things you know you should look for first, but  
> convince
> yourself isn't the problem.
> The car is idling MUCH better now, and I can start it when it's hot!
>
> Tony
> '70 Fastback AT/FI
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Sent: Sat, March 10, 2012 5:45:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
>
> On 10 Mar 2012 at 14:51, Tony Rongey wrote:
>
>> It sure would have saved me a lot of aggravation if one of you guys  
>> would have
>
>> just told me my distributor cap was cracked.
>
> ;-)
>
> Sorry about that, those cracks are pretty hard to see from here.
>
> I broke a few of those myself, many years ago. That was before I
> learned how to pop the retaining springs off without damaging the
> cap. Now I use a screwdriver under the bowed part of the spring and
> lever it outward. Using a screwdriver straight down from the top,
> between the end of the spring and the cap tends to break the cap.
>
> Glad to hear that you found your problem.
>
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
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> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:04:44 -0600
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
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> On 11 Mar 2012 at 1:42, Dave Hall wrote:
>
>> We must see if we can persuade Claire Voyance to come on the  
>> group...  I
>> hear she's ace at seeing at a distance.  ;-)
>
> Shouldn't that be Clara?   ;-)
>
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:36:53 -0600
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Engine Craziness (was Dwell Meter...)
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> On 10 Mar 2012 at 20:00, Tony Rongey wrote:
>
>> This was a vertical crack in the body of the cap next to one of the  
>> terminals.
>> Looks like a typical stress crack you'd see in metal that's not  
>> annealed right.
>> One of those basic things you know you should look for first, but  
>> convince
>> yourself isn't the problem.
>> The car is idling MUCH better now, and I can start it when it's hot!
>
> Was the crack near one of the hold-down seats?
>
> That's a pretty unusual problem. I don't think I've ever seen it
> before. Was this a Bosch cap?
>
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 20:50:31 -0800 (PST)
> From: Norman Roush <naroush at sbcglobal.net>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Child seats in a Squareback
> Message-ID:
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith,
> ?
> Try www.thecarseatlady.com.? My wife volunteers as a car seat  
> technician at Good Sam hospital in San Jose, CA and does installs  
> and checks for new parents as they leave the hospital with their new  
> kid(s).? This website has a lot info about car seats and related laws.
> ?
> Norman
> '68 Sqbk
> Sunnyvale, CA
> ?
> ?
> Looks like my little Nephew will be visiting this summer when Im up  
> at the
> lake.
> He needs to be in a booster seat, but without rear shoulder belts I  
> cant put
> him in the back.
> I have the later inertia reels in the front and could strap the seat  
> in
> there but here in NY you cant put kids
> Under 12 in the front seat. What do you folks with little kids do?  
> Even my
> 87 Golf doesn't have shoulder belts in the
> Rear !
>
> Keith
>
>
> ?
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 21:28:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Norman Roush <naroush at sbcglobal.net>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] Frustrating stalling problem
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> Back on 2/6/12 I wrote about a hesitation/stall problem I had with  
> my '68 Sqbk w/MT and stock FI.? I thought I had the problems worked  
> out (loose connections and bad dizzy clamp).? The car has been  
> starting and running well until Friday afternoon when it stalled at  
> a red light.? I could not get it started?and had it towed home.? I  
> got the car started but it will not keep running.? Dwell, timing,  
> battery?and valves are OK.? It appears that fuel pressure is OK but  
> I do not have a gauge to test.? It starts easily but will stall,  
> sometimes?after just a few minutes, sometimes?after several  
> minutes.??What connections will kill the engine if not tight?? I can  
> be sitting in the driver's seat with the?engine idling?and it will  
> stall so it seems like minimal vibrations may?be part of the  
> problem.? Any ideas?
> ?
> Thanks,
> Norman
> Sunnyvale, CA
> ??
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 00:21:06 -0600
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Frustrating stalling problem
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> On 10 Mar 2012 at 21:28, Norman Roush wrote:
>
>> Back on 2/6/12 I wrote about a hesitation/stall problem I had with my
>> '68 Sqbk w/MT and stock FI.? I thought I had the problems worked out
>> (loose connections and bad dizzy clamp).? The car has been starting
>> and running well until Friday afternoon when it stalled at a red
>> light.? I could not get it started?and had it towed home.? I got the
>> car started but it will not keep running.? Dwell, timing, battery?and
>> valves are OK.? It appears that fuel pressure is OK but I do not have
>> a gauge to test.? It starts easily but will stall, sometimes?after
>> just a few minutes, sometimes?after several minutes.?
>
> Check the screw that holds the FI main power relay under the back
> seat. Make sure it's tight. Then check the wire that runs from the
> battery + post to that relay and make sure the battery end is okay.
>
> Likewise, check the single ground connection on top of the center of
> the '68 engine case.
>
> Could also be a problem in the FI dist trigger points or the
> connection to them. There are lots of possibilities.
>
> When it won't start, do you hear the 2 clicks when you turn the key
> on?
>
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 07:48:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bobsnotch at aol.com
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Child seats in a Square
> Message-ID: <42faa.3accacde.3c8deb13 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> In a message dated 3/10/2012 1:46:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> gtixpress at gmail.com writes:
>
> Aren't  there are exemptions to the laws for classic cars?   I  
> thought  as
> long as the car had period correct seat belts,  then you should be   
> fine.
> Because there are a lot of cars that just have lap belts for the   
> front
> seats and they don't have problems.   Of course installing  better  
> seat
> belts is always the better way.
>
> Joe  Plowick
>
>
>
>
> This would be my thought. Otherwise the next thing you know, NY will  
> be
> wanting Keith to add air bags to his 71 Square, and his 2 65's. :O
>
> Bob 65 Notch  S with sunroof and IRS (Krusty)
> 64 T-34 Ghia  (Wolfie)
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:10:04 -0400
> From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Child seats in a Squareback
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> Thanks, I havent found anything on use of seats in older cars or  
> state laws
> about that.  In NY, they are pretty clear, but what they don?t tell  
> you is
> what to do if your car doesn?t have rear shoulder belts or heck,  
> what to do
> if your car has NO rear seat period.  I could easily strap the kid  
> in a seat
> in the front, but nowhere have I found that I can do that legally.
> Originally I had thought that the front seat was eliminated due to  
> the air
> bags, but since I don?t have those is it legal for the kids to be in  
> the
> front set in the proper child seat?  Nobody seems to be able to  
> answer that
> yet.
>
> Thanks for that site though, its pretty informative.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of  
> Norman
> Roush
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 11:51 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Child seats in a Squareback
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith,
> ?
> Try www.thecarseatlady.com.? My wife volunteers as a car seat  
> technician at
> Good Sam hospital in San Jose, CA and does installs and checks for new
> parents as they leave the hospital with their new kid(s).? This  
> website has
> a lot info about car seats and related laws.
> ?
> Norman
> '68 Sqbk
> Sunnyvale, CA
> ?
> ?
> Looks like my little Nephew will be visiting this summer when Im up  
> at the
> lake.
> He needs to be in a booster seat, but without rear shoulder belts I  
> cant put
> him in the back.
> I have the later inertia reels in the front and could strap the seat  
> in
> there but here in NY you cant put kids
> Under 12 in the front seat. What do you folks with little kids do?  
> Even my
> 87 Golf doesn't have shoulder belts in the
> Rear !
>
> Keith
>
>
> ?
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