[T3] Front Damper mounting pin sleeves ] FROZEN
Darren Stevens
darren_r_stevens at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 17 20:27:44 PDT 2013
Greeting,
Having trouble removing the front lower damper bushing and mounting pin sleeves on my 64 front beam arms.
I see there is a dowel pin that holds the mounting pin in place, is this removable I see no hex head or screw slot on the pin hole?
Most importantly I need the bushing and sleeves off the pins to install new shocks.
I am currently in the process of a whole front end built for a wide 5 disc brake kit.
Thanks for any assistance,
Also to post and reply to certain "messages" is very confusing. What is the standard way the messages are staying organized.
Do I simply reply to the entire list? I have had helpful ideas on many occasions but cant seem to get a post to work.
Darren
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1. Re: Oil bath filter (Daniel K. Du Vall)
2. Re: Oil bath filter (Jim Adney)
3. Re: Oil bath filter (Daniel K. Du Vall)
4. Re: Oil bath filter (Jim Adney)
5. Re: Oil bath filter (Bobsnotch at aol.com)
6. Re: Oil bath filter (Daniel K. Du Vall)
7. Re: Oil bath filter (Daniel K. Du Vall)
8. Re: Oil bath filter (Jim Adney)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 01:21:48 +0000
From: "Daniel K. Du Vall" <dduvall at 1peter4-10.org>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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Now I am totally confused.
The AAR (no longer there has been hacked off by a previous owner) And I do mean hacked)
I have a solid plate on one end of the IAD.
I assume that would have had a metal tube that would have gone to the PCV Valve.
I do have the heads with the breather ports.
The PCV assembly is still intact.
Here's what I was thinking the vacuum port for the AAR would connect to the PCV valve and the two ports on the heads with a (T) to the port on the air cleaner cover. Putting it on the one on the snorkel I would think would allow dirty air to be sucked into the case. Will this work?
Now that I know I have the wrong year what is a possible solution to this dilemma?
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From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Jim Adney
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 12:54 PM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
On 13 Jul 2013 at 13:55, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
> First question what year would this have come off of?
> http://volkswageninsanity.us/Postings/FI/IMG_20130713_074527.jpg
> It only has two ports the one on the lid I assume is for the heads but not sure what the one on the air inlet snorkel is for.
> My car is a 72 but does not matter as I am doing the MegaSquirt system on it.
That looks like a '69 air cleaner to me, due to the weighted flap on the inlet.
The port on the lid goes to the AAR; the one on the inlet would go to the breather, but you have the wrong breather box for that. Keep in mind that you MUST be careful about the breather on this, or you'll get oil pumped out the rear of the case. Your '72 breather box has 2 plastic caps on it. Under the small one is a PCV valve that should have a hose that connects to a metal tube coming off the front cover of the IAD. You will also need the heads with the breather ports on them.
Or you can change to the earlier breather box and dipstick tube.
> Second question is there a recommended method of cleaning and what oil to use?
Never allow the upper half to turn upside down. Scrape any dirt off it's bottom side. Pour off the old oil from the bottom half; wipe out any dirt from the bottom. Refill up to the step with clean engine oil. Do this more often in dirty environments, less often if your air tends to be clean.
I usually dip a finger into the oil and rub it along the bottom. I don't change the oil unless there is 1/16" or more of sludge under there.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 23:52:56 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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On 14 Jul 2013 at 1:21, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
> Now I am totally confused.
> The AAR (no longer there has been hacked off by a previous owner) And I do mean hacked)
I think you're confusing some of the abbreviations: AAR is the Aux
Air Regulator, a separate part just to the right of the distributor.
It does not get vacuum, it gets clean air from the air cleaner. If
yours is gone, you need a replacement. I have good ones.
> I have a solid plate on one end of the IAD.
> I assume that would have had a metal tube that would have gone to the PCV Valve.
You should get a correct end cover for your IAD, one that has the
tube to connect to the PCV valve. I probably have one.
> I do have the heads with the breather ports.
In that case, I'd get a correct '72-3 air cleaner that has 2 more
clean air ports for the breather hoses to the heads. I probably have
one, but I'd have to check to be sure.
> The PCV assembly is still intact.
Sounds like you're close to having the right parts. I'd just replace
the air cleaner and the AAR (unless you realize now that yours is
there.) Plus some hoses, of course.
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:04:04 +0000
From: "Daniel K. Du Vall" <dduvall at 1peter4-10.org>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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I am ok with what I have. Remember I am doing a MegaSquirt and not all the factory FI components just some of them. But I will need to do some improvising with the breather system.
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From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Jim Adney
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 10:53 PM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
On 14 Jul 2013 at 1:21, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
> Now I am totally confused.
> The AAR (no longer there has been hacked off by a previous owner) And
> I do mean hacked)
I think you're confusing some of the abbreviations: AAR is the Aux Air Regulator, a separate part just to the right of the distributor.
It does not get vacuum, it gets clean air from the air cleaner. If yours is gone, you need a replacement. I have good ones.
> I have a solid plate on one end of the IAD.
> I assume that would have had a metal tube that would have gone to the PCV Valve.
You should get a correct end cover for your IAD, one that has the tube to connect to the PCV valve. I probably have one.
> I do have the heads with the breather ports.
In that case, I'd get a correct '72-3 air cleaner that has 2 more clean air ports for the breather hoses to the heads. I probably have one, but I'd have to check to be sure.
> The PCV assembly is still intact.
Sounds like you're close to having the right parts. I'd just replace the air cleaner and the AAR (unless you realize now that yours is
there.) Plus some hoses, of course.
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:33:02 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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On 14 Jul 2013 at 5:04, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
> I am ok with what I have. Remember I am doing a MegaSquirt and not all
> the factory FI components just some of them. But I will need to do
> some improvising with the breather system.
I understand that you're moving to the MS System. That's okay, I
don't know anything about it, so you clearly know more about it than
I do. You may not need the AAR, if the MS system has a different way
to handle the engine idle speed vs. warmup problem.
The breather is another matter. The ports on the heads are for clean
air to go INTO the engine. If you breathe air out of those ports that
will take care of the case getting pressurized, but at high rpm
there's a LOT of oil spray in the rocker boxes, and if you draw your
breather air from there you will get lots of oil in the process. It's
really not what you want to do.
You need clean air to go into the heads and crankcase blowby to exit
via the breather box (which serves as an oil mist separator.)
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:39:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bobsnotch at aol.com
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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In a message dated 7/14/2013 1:04:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dduvall at 1peter4-10.org writes:
I am ok with what I have. Remember I am doing a MegaSquirt and not all the
factory FI components just some of them. But I will need to do some
improvising with the breather system.
What Jim is trying to get at, is the mechanical parts of the stock D-jet
FI system need to match. Yes, even with MS, since you're based off the stock
components. Since your heads have the extra port (for the PCV system), you
really need a matching air cleaner that has the extra ports, or your
system won't function as it was designed (the mechanical part of the system).
Those ports draw clean air into the engine.
Something to keep in mind, you're basically replacing the stock ECU,
distributor, and wiring harness with MS parts. The rest is still stock D-jet
parts. Are you swapping injectors too? Or re-using the stock ones? You'll
still need the AAR, as it's there for cold start idle control (warm up). Are
you just doing fuel, or are you using a trigger wheel, and controlling spark
too? It sounds like just fuel. If you get the trigger wheel, then you can
do spark too.
If you do a search on the Samba, and on STF (Shop Talk Forums) you'll find
others have done the MS swap, using stock components, and have had good
results with it. But, they re-used as many matching components as possible.
Bob 65 Notch S w/Sunroof and IRS aka Krusty
64 T-34 Ghia aka Wolfie
71 Square-vert under construction
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:16:01 +0000
From: "Daniel K. Du Vall" <dduvall at 1peter4-10.org>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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Thanks Jim that was my plan to feed clean air into the heads and out of the breather box. And since the only port on the air filter I have that is clean air is where the AAR used to connect to on this particular air cleaner I was going to (T) off the port to each head and then use the vacuum port that was for the AAR as the vacuum port for the PCV valve on the breather box.
OK on a different subject I think I saw a diagram floating around that showed the different timing marks for different years was that you that posted that or someone else? I had one but have misplaced it and need it to set my base timing.
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From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Jim Adney
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:33 AM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
On 14 Jul 2013 at 5:04, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
> I am ok with what I have. Remember I am doing a MegaSquirt and not all
> the factory FI components just some of them. But I will need to do
> some improvising with the breather system.
I understand that you're moving to the MS System. That's okay, I don't know anything about it, so you clearly know more about it than I do. You may not need the AAR, if the MS system has a different way to handle the engine idle speed vs. warmup problem.
The breather is another matter. The ports on the heads are for clean air to go INTO the engine. If you breathe air out of those ports that will take care of the case getting pressurized, but at high rpm there's a LOT of oil spray in the rocker boxes, and if you draw your breather air from there you will get lots of oil in the process. It's really not what you want to do.
You need clean air to go into the heads and crankcase blowby to exit via the breather box (which serves as an oil mist separator.)
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Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:28:17 +0000
From: "Daniel K. Du Vall" <dduvall at 1peter4-10.org>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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I am using new D-Jet injectors I got from Jim. With all the air runners etc. I have a wideband O2 sensor along with air temp and coolant temp that is using the stock CHT sensor as well as the stock air temp sensor. I am basing my setup off of what MAX has done with the exception of doing a locked dizzy and a pertronix igniter. I have the MS3X so am configed to let the MS do the timing.
I started with absolutely nothing as the car came with duel carbs that has seen better days.
I will try and get a few pic taken and posted so that all can see my approach and I realize it's not like some would have, I am using what I learned in school as part of my setting this up also. It's been a great reinforcement to all that I have learned about FI in my younger days.
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From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Bobsnotch at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 7:39 AM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
In a message dated 7/14/2013 1:04:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dduvall at 1peter4-10.org writes:
I am ok with what I have. Remember I am doing a MegaSquirt and not all the factory FI components just some of them. But I will need to do some improvising with the breather system.
What Jim is trying to get at, is the mechanical parts of the stock D-jet
FI system need to match. Yes, even with MS, since you're based off the stock
components. Since your heads have the extra port (for the PCV system), you
really need a matching air cleaner that has the extra ports, or your
system won't function as it was designed (the mechanical part of the system).
Those ports draw clean air into the engine.
Something to keep in mind, you're basically replacing the stock ECU,
distributor, and wiring harness with MS parts. The rest is still stock D-jet
parts. Are you swapping injectors too? Or re-using the stock ones? You'll
still need the AAR, as it's there for cold start idle control (warm up). Are
you just doing fuel, or are you using a trigger wheel, and controlling spark
too? It sounds like just fuel. If you get the trigger wheel, then you can
do spark too.
If you do a search on the Samba, and on STF (Shop Talk Forums) you'll find
others have done the MS swap, using stock components, and have had good
results with it. But, they re-used as many matching components as possible.
Bob 65 Notch S w/Sunroof and IRS aka Krusty
64 T-34 Ghia aka Wolfie
71 Square-vert under construction
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Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:18:53 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Oil bath filter
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On 14 Jul 2013 at 14:16, Daniel K. Du Vall wrote:
> Thanks Jim that was my plan to feed clean air into the heads and out
> of the breather box. And since the only port on the air filter I have
> that is clean air is where the AAR used to connect to on this
> particular air cleaner I was going to (T) off the port to each head
> and then use the vacuum port that was for the AAR as the vacuum port
> for the PCV valve on the breather box.
That MIGHT work, but you would need to install some sort of aperture
in the AAR vacuum line, because you can't allow too much air to get
sucked in (or it will never settle down to an idle.) Although the
late IAD cover has a rather large tube going to it, there's a rather
small hole at the end, maybe 1 mm, but I'd have to take one apart to
be sure.
I've thought this over, and I think the approach I'd recommend would
be to keep the air cleaner and IAD that you have and change the
breather box and dipstick tube. This would give you the system that
was in use from '68-71. It's quite good, and quite simple, and
doesn't have the drawbacks that the later system could give you. In
other words, it's much more likely to "play nicely" with your MS
system.
I suspect, but I'm not sure, that the MS would appreciate having a
good working AAR in there, too. I think that's your only shot at any
kind of idle stabilization. If you just drive this in warm weather,
it's much less important, but there's still a big difference in the
engine's internal friction when the oil is at 70 F compared to 170 F.
> OK on a different subject I think I saw a diagram floating around that
> showed the different timing marks for different years was that you
> that posted that or someone else? I had one but have misplaced it and
> need it to set my base timing.
Your '72 timing marks should look like this | | | |
They are 5 BTDC, TDC, 5 ATDC, and 7.5 ATDC.
Since you're not using the stock distributor advance, you just want
to set it up to idle at TDC, start advancing at 1000 or 1200, and to
max out at about 30-32 BTDC by 2000 or 2500 rpm.
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