[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 47, Issue 23

Ken Knowles ken71type34 at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 31 14:29:37 PDT 2014


Truly Jim has saved my butt on more than one occasion 

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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Re: Jim, Marigold's savior (Jim Adney)
>   2. Re: MPGs?? (Dennis Stiefel)
>   3. Re: Jim, Marigold's savior (Jim Adney)
>   4. Re: Jim, Marigold's savior (Bobsnotch at aol.com)
>   5. Re: Jim, Marigold's savior (brionsab)
>   6.  Jim, Marigold's savior (Dave Pallo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:46:08 -0500
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Jim, Marigold's savior
> Message-ID: <54023810.30704.1B8CDF2 at jadney.vwtype3.org>
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>> On 30 Aug 2014 at 9:58, Phil Hof wrote:
>> 
>> I want to give a huge shout out to Jim, who gave so much to a Type 3
>> owner in need.  That was a LOT of work, and his selflessness is an
>> inspiration to the rest of us.  Thanks, Jim!
> 
> It WAS a lot of work, but I don't want to take any more credit for it 
> than I'm due. Work I do at the Invasions is usually free, although I 
> try to get a fair price for parts, but Sarah understood before she 
> came here that I'd be charging her for both labor and parts. This 
> will cost her a LOT once I work out a total, but she also got free 
> room and board out of it, although she repaid us with a couple of 
> nice meals at local watering holes.
> 
>> It?s also a lesson that 90% of the problems with these cars turns out
>> to be prior owner mistakes.
> 
> This comment is right on the money. 40-50 years of ignorance, abuse, 
> and just getting by will take its toll on any car, and nitch vehicles 
> like Type 3s are even worse, because of poor parts availability and 
> even worse availability of good mechanics.
> 
> One of the really big advantages of working here at my house is the 
> availability of parts. Everything Marigold needed was found in my 
> basement, with the exception of those flex alum air hoses that the 
> aftermarket exhaust systems use.
> 
>> I struggled on my own for years, learning the hard way.  These two
>> resources, and people like Jim and the late Russ, show us there are
>> people who love these cars and have a generous heart as well.  I?d
>> like to think the rest of these on this list would do the same.  I
>> would strive to should the need arise.
> 
> Well, Phil, if you'll come to the next invasion, I'm sure we can find 
> you that opportunity.   ;-)
> 
>> From '68, when I bought my first Squareback to the time this list
> started, I was on my own, too. I found some local people with VW 
> experience that was valuable and some parts sources, but I never 
> became part of any VW community until Greg started this list.
> 
> Thanks, Greg!
> 
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:11:51 -0500
> From: Dennis Stiefel <dlstiefel at dekalbk12.org>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] MPGs??
> Message-ID: <E3E0369F-73B7-470A-97E6-BC623B370E8E at dekalbk12.org>
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>>> On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:58 PM, "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 30 Aug 2014 at 13:00, Dennis Stiefel wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well this time I cut my speed average on the interstate down to 60 on
>>> the interstate and 50 around town and got a disappointing 20 mpg. I
>>> was doing better when I kept her around 70 where she seems like where
>>> she wants to run on the freeway.
>> 
>> Yeah, you've still got something wrong. Your '72 should do much 
>> better than that. There's absolutely NO way you should be getting 
>> better mileage at 70 than at 50, unless something is making the 
>> system WAY over-rich at 50.
>> 
>> Things to check:
>> 
>> Fuel pressure 30 psi, as you suggested
>> 
>> Disconnect the cold start valve.
>> 
>> Special '72-only timing, making sure both vacuum advance AND vacuum 
>> retard are working. Only the Bentley gets this timing proceedure 
>> right! Don't do it any other way!
>> 
>> Make sure the mech adv is working. Check this both statically (twist 
>> the rotor) and dynamically (watch with a timing light.) 
>> 
>> Make sure the thermostat and linkage is working, opening AND closing.
>> 
>> Make sure the pressure sensor vacuum hose is connected at BOTH ends. 
>> Make sure you have the right pressure sensor. The '72-3 pressure 
>> sensors should have a large black plastic cap over the end.
>> 
>> If those things all check out, it might be worthwhile to check the 
>> continuity of the wiring to and from each of your temp sensors. 
>> You'll have to take the brain out to do this correctly thru the FI 
>> wiring harness, so check to make sure you have an E brain while 
>> you're there.
>> 
>> Other than that, make sure your brakes aren't dragging and that 
>> you're not driving with one foot on the brakes.  ;-p
>> 
>> -- 
>> *******************************
>> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
>> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
>> *******************************
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
> Yes the fuel pressure will be the first thing.  The cold start dose not have anything connected to it as fare as fuel lines or wires because we never hooked it up. I was told it rarely gets cold enough here in bama to need it. On the timing I guess you forgot that my distributor was too far gone to rebuild way back when I sent it to you so you sold me one from a 73. I do the same thing as far as getting all the cars work on mixed up or just forget about what we work on at the school or before I started teaching. Rechecking the timing was another thing I was going to do.  I think the pressure or map sensor is ok and it has the black cap on it but I'll check that too. The brakes seem ok as good as she runs and as much of power as she has hard to believe the brakes are dragging.  However since my class is going over brakes now we could put her on a lift and let the boys look that over. 
> 
> Dennis
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 19:39:05 -0500
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Jim, Marigold's savior
> Message-ID: <54026EA9.17561.28E1446 at jadney.vwtype3.org>
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> I should add that primary credit for this work should go to Sarah. If 
> it weren't for the fact that she thought it was worth doing and was 
> willing and able to help, it never would have happened. We need more 
> owners like her.
> 
> 
> -- 
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:07:53 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bobsnotch at aol.com
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Jim, Marigold's savior
> Message-ID: <9eb84.3f60274e.4133cf69 at aol.com>
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> In a message dated 8/30/2014 4:46:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> jadney at vwtype3.org writes:
> 
>> On 30 Aug 2014 at 9:58, Phil Hof wrote:
>> 
>> I want to give  a huge shout out to Jim, who gave so much to a Type 3
>> owner in  need.  That was a LOT of work, and his selflessness is an
>> inspiration to the rest of us.  Thanks, Jim!
> 
> It WAS a lot of  work, but I don't want to take any more credit for it 
> than I'm due. Work I  do at the Invasions is usually free, although I 
> try to get a fair price  for parts, but Sarah understood before she 
> came here that I'd be charging  her for both labor and parts. This 
> will cost her a LOT once I work out a  total, but she also got free 
> room and board out of it, although she repaid  us with a couple of 
> nice meals at local watering holes.
> 
>> It?s  also a lesson that 90% of the problems with these cars turns out
>> to be  prior owner mistakes.
> 
> This comment is right on the money. 40-50 years  of ignorance, abuse, 
> and just getting by will take its toll on any car,  and nitch vehicles 
> like Type 3s are even worse, because of poor parts  availability and 
> even worse availability of good mechanics.
> 
> One of  the really big advantages of working here at my house is the 
> availability  of parts. Everything Marigold needed was found in my 
> basement, with the  exception of those flex alum air hoses that the 
> aftermarket exhaust  systems use.
> 
>> From '68, when I bought my first Squareback to the time  this list
> started, I was on my own, too. I found some local people with VW  
> experience that was valuable and some parts sources, but I never  
> became part of any VW community until Greg started this  list.
> 
> Thanks, Greg!
> 
> Credit goes out to BOTH of you (Jim and Sarah), as she found someone  
> willing to do the work, and Jim found someone who needed all those parts in  the 
> basement he'd been hoarding. ;-) It took a commitment for the 2 of you, as  
> I'm sure you were helping her every step of the way, even though she was 
> doing  the work. Great job Jim.
> 
> And I'll agree that this list, more than anything, got me more involved  
> with the VW community (and meeting people like Jim, Russ, Keith, Brian and  
> Toby, along with a bunch of others thru the years). I'd been doing my own work 
> since 1989, but going to shows in a type 3 meant you and maybe 1 other car 
> were representing the mark. Later on, John J. started bringing his type  
> 3, so now there were 3 type 3s at a show. It certainly was like that in  the 
> 90's. :O Thanks Greg!!  
> 
> And yes, I do have to agree that with these cars getting up there in  age, 
> the lack of people who can actually work on them has declined. Add in the  
> lack of quality parts being produced, we're finding a shortage of good used 
> or  rebuildable parts to use.
> 
> Bob 65  Notch S w/Sunroof and IRS aka Krusty
> 64 T-34 Ghia aka  Wolfie
> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 19:41:17 -0600
> From: brionsab <brionsab at msn.com>
> To: type3 <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Jim, Marigold's savior
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> I admire her courage.  Driving all the way from Brooklyn to Wisconsin in an iffy vehicle without AC.  Tip of the hat.
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> Date:08/30/2014  6:39 PM  (GMT-07:00)
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [T3] Jim, Marigold's savior
> 
> I should add that primary credit for this work should go to Sarah. If
> it weren't for the fact that she thought it was worth doing and was
> willing and able to help, it never would have happened. We need more
> owners like her.
> 
> 
> --
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
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> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 11:10:15 -0400
> From: "Dave Pallo" <rdavid at rochester.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: [T3]  Jim, Marigold's savior
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> I too commend you Jim for all the work you did on Marigold. As Keith said -
> it was tiring just to read the long repair list, let alone doing all that
> work!
> 
> Whatever her total bill comes to, we know she will be getting a bargain as
> she had one of the most knowledgeable Type 3 mechanics carefully and
> methodically bringing her car back to original running condition. In this
> day and age of online opinions -  there are many ya-hoos online that will
> tell her what she should be doing (right or wrong) to her car, but not too
> many people who know what they are talking about AND willing to perform the
> work that she needs AND not giving up until her issues are resolved.
> Obviously Marigolds issues were many, and there are very few people who even
> knew how to get to the bottom of these issues, let alone perform the work
> like Jim did. Obviously Jim isn't afraid to ask for help either, as his #1
> goal is to get it right. I applaud your commitment and thoroughness, Jim!
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Pallo
> 
> '72 Square ~ Elwood
> 
> Fairport, NY
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