[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 44, Issue 25

Fiesta Cranberry fiestacranberry at gmail.com
Wed May 21 02:00:38 PDT 2014


Keith, what is ZDDP?

Lori


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> Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 20:13:36 -0400
> From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Valve woes
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> Other things to consider are valve train geometry, if you have deviated
> from
> stock at all the geometry needs to be set up, if its not things can go bad
> very fast.  Using the proper amount of ZDDP?  That's also quite important
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> Keith
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> On Behalf Of Jim Adney
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Valve woes
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> On 18 May 2014 at 11:56, Fiesta Cranberry wrote:
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> > Now, I'm having valve problems.  The # 1& 3 valves keep getting really
> > loose.  The rocker arms have almost no resistance when when I move them,
> > they're floppy.  It's like the pushrods are too short, even tho we
> measured
> > them.  We replaced the pushrods with longer ones (yes, we measured) and
> now
> > it's happened again.  They are not bent or damaged in any visible way.
>  My
> > friend John thinks it needs a valve job, like maybe the valves are stuck.
> >  But it gets such light use, that's hard to believe on a new engine.
>
> There are no situations where longer pushrods would be a cure for a
> problem like this. You've gotten a few good suggestions for things to
> check, but my best guess would be that the new lifters you installed
> with the rebuild were too soft and are wearing down quickly. I hope
> your camshaft is still good, but that is also a suspect since 1 & 3
> use the same cam lobes.
>
> It's vaguely possible that you have some valves that are sticking,
> but if you've watched them move up and down, and didn't see anything
> unusual, I think you can forget that possibility. If you want to
> really eliminate that possibility, check the cylinder compressions
> all around. Valves that are sticking or are bent will ruin the
> compression on that cylinder.
>
> I suggest that you start by checking the nuts that hold the rocker
> arms in place. That's probably not the problem, since you've had them
> off already to replace pushrods.
>
> Then using a real dial indicator, measure the lift on all 8 valves.
> Do this after readjusting the valves. Write down each one, then
> compare exhaust lifts and intake lifts. Exhausts will be smaller than
> intakes, but all the exhausts should be about the same and all the
> intakes should be about the same.
>
> If you find that all your exhaust lifts are about the same and all
> your intake lifts are about the same, then your cam is still good and
> the lifters are the problem. If you find that the 1 & 3 lifts are a
> lot smaller than the 2 & 4 lifts, then your cam is also shot.
>
> Either way, repair requires a complete engine teardown and
> replacement of the bad parts. If it's the lifters, that's the best
> news, but you MUST buy GOOD replacements. They are not easy to find
> and there's no sure way for people like us to know the difference. I
> buy from Berg just because I know he knows what to buy. It's best to
> replace the lifters ASAP, so they do minimal damage to the cam.
>
> BTW, my very first engine rebuild ended up the same way: soft lifters
> that wore quickly. In my case, I saw rapid wear on all 8 valves, so
> this makes me think you may also have a cam problem. A call to Berg
> revealed that most lifters out there were too soft. Gene gave me the
> Rockwell hardness numbers and I was able to verify that my old ones
> were exactly as soft as he had predicted. I was lucky to have access
> to a hardness tester at that time.
>
> There's a lesson here: New parts are not always better. In fact, they
> are often inferior.
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