[T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations

Sat Sep 12 11:40:25 PDT 2015

The verdict is in. The main bearings are trashed. #4 spun, somehow feel
back into place, but there is a high spot that was catching and causing
interference. You couldn't get the crank to spin in case once we split it
apart.

#1 (thrust) was installed wrong when rebuilt. When he put the case together
he missed the dowel hole and crushed a second dowel hole next to the
correct dowel hole. This caused a high spot in the bearing. Causing
scarring and a nice gouge in the bearing face.

We also found that #3 and #4 cylinder looked like oil was getting by and
the jug of #3 scared from water sitting in the cylinder. So much for new
jugs and cylinders as told top me in the sale.

We caught it soon enough that everything is salvageable. I am talking the
case and rotating assembly to a local vw shop to see if the case is ok. I
think I will buy some new pistons and cylinders just to know they new and
ready.

I will put a link to some pictures on the samba after a bit.

Adam

On Sep 12, 2015 9:17 AM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> im skeptical you'll find anything, but then again, there are so many poor
> quality or defectiveparts on the market today it may be best to check, you
> DO want to catch problems early with a fresh build.
>
> keith
>
> Topnotch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> 87 Golf  "Winterat"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> On Behalf Of Craigs List
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:20 AM
> To: Type 3 List
> Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
>
> Keith,
>
> I don't have an oil pressure gauge. Any amount of metal in the oil is a
bad
> sign. We are going to drop the engine and crack the case today. I think I
> caught it before any major damage. Now it is time to fix it. I'll post
> pictures.
>
> Adam
> On Sep 11, 2015 10:05 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > ive seen much worse, whats your oil pressure after an hour on the road
at
> > 80F with 10W30?  that will tell about your bearing clearances and fit.
> the
> > hot oil pressure at idle is a good measure too.
> >
> > keith
> >
> >
> > Topnotch Restorations
> > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:49 PM
> > To: Type 3 List
> > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> >
> > If you look close you can see the sheen of ten types of metal shavings.
It
> > is not good.
> >
> > Adam
> > On Sep 11, 2015 7:47 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > the only pictures i saw were of a little gunk on the sump plate,
> > > thats not bad, you will always have some after a rebuild and that
plate
> > > can get nasty when you have 150K on it and it sits the winter with oil
> > > that has a few miles on it.
> > >
> > > keith
> > >
> > >
> > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:03 PM
> > > To: Type 3 List
> > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > >
> > > Verdict is in. Not good.
> > >
> > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402299.jpg
> > >
> > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402300.jpg
> > >
> > > Looking for a short block now.
> > >
> > > Adam
> > > On Sep 11, 2015 5:19 AM, "Craigs List" <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > >
> > > > The vent is good. The plumbing plug is only a 1/4" into the
breather.
> > It
> > > > functions as it should.
> > > >
> > > > I will check the other things you mention tomorrow when I pull the
> > > engine.
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > > On Sep 10, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Check to make sure you have a fuctioning crankcase breather. If
your
> > > >> plumbing plug in the breather box is in too far, it may have
blocked
> > > >> the vent. If you have no vent, pressure buildup in the case will
push
> > > >> oil out the back of the engine. Too much end play, or a loose #1
main
> > > >> bearing, can cause this, too.
> > > >>
> > > >> Check the vent by trying to blow in the vent hose. You should be
able
> > > >> to tell the difference between blowing into a blocked off hose and
> > > >> into a sealed engine (or you can take of a valve cover and you'll
be
> > > >> blowing freely THRU the engine.)
> > > >>
> > > >> Use a long screwdriver, with the blunt end stuck in one ear, to
> > > >> listen to different parts of the engine. That should give you a
> > > >> better idea of where the noise is coming from.
> > > >>
> > > >> Jim
> > > >>
> > > >> On 10 Sep 2015 at 19:44, Craigs List wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Jim,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm going to follow your advice and pull the engine this weekend
> > > without
> > > >> > the clutch. I fear that the endplay was not set right on rebuild.
> > > Since
> > > >> > purchasing the car, with less than 1100 miles on the rebuild, it
> has
> > > >> slowly
> > > >> > started leaking out of the rear main. Now I am about 5000 miles
in
> > and
> > > >> the
> > > >> > crankcase noise is pretty bad. I still have the same power and
> > > >> performance.
> > > >> > Mileage has not suffered. I just think something is wrong.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Here is a video of the engine running yesterday.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > https://youtu.be/0v4wsBU4ih0
> > > >> >
> > > >> > You can barely hear the exhaust over the sound of crank case
noise.
> > > The
> > > >> > noise disappears at high RPMs. It is worst at idle.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am going to trailer it to my parents house so that I can tear
> into
> > > it
> > > >> > Saturday morning.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Adam
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On 10 Sep 2015 at 8:04, Craigs List wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > I should have the clutch sometime next week. I will drop the
> > > engine
> > > >> and
> > > >> > > > switch it out the weekend after.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > When you get the engine out, be sure to check the crankshaft
end
> > > >> > > play, to make sure the #1 main bearing has not come loose and
is
> > > part
> > > >> > > of the problem. Also, check for wear in the release bearing
cross
> > > >> > > shaft. I've probably seen more of those worn out than pressure
> > > >> > > plates.
> > > >> > >
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