[T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations

Craigs List craigslistcsprings at gmail.com
Sat Sep 12 14:29:31 PDT 2015


Here is a short video of what we found as far as the bearings.

Watch "Crank damage" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/WXd46V02LLU

Nothing catastrophic, but it sure should have been. I'm surprised it lasted
as long as it did.

Adam
On Sep 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Craigs List" <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com> wrote:

> The verdict is in. The main bearings are trashed. #4 spun, somehow feel
> back into place, but there is a high spot that was catching and causing
> interference. You couldn't get the crank to spin in case once we split it
> apart.
>
> #1 (thrust) was installed wrong when rebuilt. When he put the case
> together he missed the dowel hole and crushed a second dowel hole next to
> the correct dowel hole. This caused a high spot in the bearing. Causing
> scarring and a nice gouge in the bearing face.
>
> We also found that #3 and #4 cylinder looked like oil was getting by and
> the jug of #3 scared from water sitting in the cylinder. So much for new
> jugs and cylinders as told top me in the sale.
>
> We caught it soon enough that everything is salvageable. I am talking the
> case and rotating assembly to a local vw shop to see if the case is ok. I
> think I will buy some new pistons and cylinders just to know they new and
> ready.
>
> I will put a link to some pictures on the samba after a bit.
>
> Adam
>
> On Sep 12, 2015 9:17 AM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > im skeptical you'll find anything, but then again, there are so many poor
> > quality or defectiveparts on the market today it may be best to check,
> you
> > DO want to catch problems early with a fresh build.
> >
> > keith
> >
> > Topnotch Restorations
> > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:20 AM
> > To: Type 3 List
> > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > I don't have an oil pressure gauge. Any amount of metal in the oil is a
> bad
> > sign. We are going to drop the engine and crack the case today. I think I
> > caught it before any major damage. Now it is time to fix it. I'll post
> > pictures.
> >
> > Adam
> > On Sep 11, 2015 10:05 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ive seen much worse, whats your oil pressure after an hour on the road
> at
> > > 80F with 10W30?  that will tell about your bearing clearances and fit.
> > the
> > > hot oil pressure at idle is a good measure too.
> > >
> > > keith
> > >
> > >
> > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:49 PM
> > > To: Type 3 List
> > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > >
> > > If you look close you can see the sheen of ten types of metal
> shavings. It
> > > is not good.
> > >
> > > Adam
> > > On Sep 11, 2015 7:47 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > the only pictures i saw were of a little gunk on the sump plate,
> > > > thats not bad, you will always have some after a rebuild and that
> plate
> > > > can get nasty when you have 150K on it and it sits the winter with
> oil
> > > > that has a few miles on it.
> > > >
> > > > keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > > > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:03 PM
> > > > To: Type 3 List
> > > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > > >
> > > > Verdict is in. Not good.
> > > >
> > > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402299.jpg
> > > >
> > > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402300.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Looking for a short block now.
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > > On Sep 11, 2015 5:19 AM, "Craigs List" <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jim,
> > > > >
> > > > > The vent is good. The plumbing plug is only a 1/4" into the
> breather.
> > > It
> > > > > functions as it should.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will check the other things you mention tomorrow when I pull the
> > > > engine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > > > > On Sep 10, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Check to make sure you have a fuctioning crankcase breather. If
> your
> > > > >> plumbing plug in the breather box is in too far, it may have
> blocked
> > > > >> the vent. If you have no vent, pressure buildup in the case will
> push
> > > > >> oil out the back of the engine. Too much end play, or a loose #1
> main
> > > > >> bearing, can cause this, too.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Check the vent by trying to blow in the vent hose. You should be
> able
> > > > >> to tell the difference between blowing into a blocked off hose and
> > > > >> into a sealed engine (or you can take of a valve cover and you'll
> be
> > > > >> blowing freely THRU the engine.)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Use a long screwdriver, with the blunt end stuck in one ear, to
> > > > >> listen to different parts of the engine. That should give you a
> > > > >> better idea of where the noise is coming from.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jim
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 10 Sep 2015 at 19:44, Craigs List wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Jim,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm going to follow your advice and pull the engine this weekend
> > > > without
> > > > >> > the clutch. I fear that the endplay was not set right on
> rebuild.
> > > > Since
> > > > >> > purchasing the car, with less than 1100 miles on the rebuild, it
> > has
> > > > >> slowly
> > > > >> > started leaking out of the rear main. Now I am about 5000 miles
> in
> > > and
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > crankcase noise is pretty bad. I still have the same power and
> > > > >> performance.
> > > > >> > Mileage has not suffered. I just think something is wrong.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Here is a video of the engine running yesterday.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > https://youtu.be/0v4wsBU4ih0
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > You can barely hear the exhaust over the sound of crank case
> noise.
> > > > The
> > > > >> > noise disappears at high RPMs. It is worst at idle.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I am going to trailer it to my parents house so that I can tear
> > into
> > > > it
> > > > >> > Saturday morning.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Adam
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On 10 Sep 2015 at 8:04, Craigs List wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > I should have the clutch sometime next week. I will drop the
> > > > engine
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > > > switch it out the weekend after.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > When you get the engine out, be sure to check the crankshaft
> end
> > > > >> > > play, to make sure the #1 main bearing has not come loose and
> is
> > > > part
> > > > >> > > of the problem. Also, check for wear in the release bearing
> cross
> > > > >> > > shaft. I've probably seen more of those worn out than pressure
> > > > >> > > plates.
> > > > >> > >
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