[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 72, Issue 19

Wed Oct 19 23:28:27 PDT 2016

Hi J.Jonik, hi Jim Adney and all other t-3 fans,

this is Max from Munich Germany, I attended the New York reunion in 2014.

Referring to Mr. Jonik, it is a strange spark plug problem, indeed.

BUT, never use oil on a spark plug threat.

Oil burns in and you never get the spark plug out again, safe.

Old mechanics from VW here in Germany always told me that and they said, the only good thing to do in that case is to use first a little Silicon Spray and then Graphit Powder on the threats!!!

No more, because G.P. does not burn in and lubricates even after years.

I never had any problems so far.

Referring to Jims comment regarding oil cooling, yes, the oilpumps which have a oilfilter attached right to sticking out to the left right in the hot air outlet channel, well, I have one of theses pumps installed on my 78' convertible.

First, I have a filter!!!

Second, to prevent heating of the oil, I took a aluminium picknick plate, folded it twice and fastened it to the filter tightly so that the hot airstream goes now around the filter.

And it works very fine, no extra heating of the oil, measured!!!

Hope I was of help!!

Best regards from Munich, Germany!!

Maximilian

NB: this year all of you went to the west for the invasion.

Unfortunately I was not able to attend.

Are there any pictures or movies you made from the trip or a writing what happend during the driving days and at the meeting!!!????????????????????

I would appreciate all infos!

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Today's Topics:

   1. Spark Plug Glitch (J. Jonik)
   2. Re: Spark Plug Glitch (Jim Adney)
   3. Re: Thoughts on overheating (Jim Adney)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 22:16:18 +0000 (UTC)
From: "J. Jonik" <j_jonik at yahoo.com>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: [T3] Spark Plug Glitch
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T III 73 engine; standard: ?? This never happened before.? Took out and touched up 1, 2, 3 spark plugs...wiped and put touch of oil on the threads.? Back they went, no problem.?
? Number 4 the same...put it back in...but then the VW spark-plug socket extension would not pull out. ? It wiggled, but it was jammed somehow. ? Had to use a long screwdriver against the insert twisting rod to pry it out...against the tin below.? I could not pull it out by hand.

I redid the procedure to see how it went.? Plug unscrewed, it and socket wrench thing came out.? I felt around in the hole area.? Nothing remarkable.? No damage evident on the plug.?? Put it back in and tightened it down...Again, the socket wrench would not come out.? Had to do the screwdriver pry trick again.Started the car...no signs or sounds of problem in No. 4 plug area.? Unexplained problem solved in unknown way.
What possible explanation?? There is a bolt and nut sticking up coming from the head into lower area of the plug access hole. ? It seems solid and tight.? Could any sort of metal movement in that area cause the spark plug wrench to jam when trying to pull it out?? It tightened and un-tightened the plug alright. ? And, can't see any signs of scratching etc on the wrench metal.

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:56:49 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at VWType3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Spark Plug Glitch
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On 29 Sep 2016 at 22:16, J. Jonik wrote:

> T III 73 engine; standard: ?? This never happened before.? Took out and touched up 1, 2, 3 spark plugs...wiped and put touch of oil on the threads.? Back they went, no problem.?
> Number 4 the same...put it back in...but then the VW spark-plug socket extension would not pull out. ? It wiggled, but it was jammed somehow. ? Had to use a long screwdriver against the insert twisting rod to pry it out...against the tin below.? I could not pull it out by hand.

Sounds quite odd, but my guess is that this plug has been cross
threaded into the head. That puts it at an angle such that it no
longer points out the center of the hole in the tin. When that
happens, the side of the wrench now catches on the tin.

With care, you might be able to get it started straight again, but
chances are that this head will need some sort of insert in that hole
to make it right again. There are several options for that, but my
preference is a HeliCoil. This CAN be done with the engine in the
car, but the very best way to do it is with the bare head, so you can
see what you're doing from both sides.

Whatever you do, it's important that the repair be on the correct
line. You don't want to discover that you've installed the insert at
an angle. Again, this is easiest with the head off. The best way to
do this is to have something long screwed into the good SP hole next
door so you can make sure your insert tap is going in parallel to
that good hole.

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Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 10:05:54 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at VWType3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Thoughts on overheating
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On 27 Sep 2016 at 21:29, Phil Hof wrote:

> The sending unit is in the line between the galley (right after the
> pump) and the filter.  Seeking to protect it from debris, I located it
> inboard of the left HE.  But this puts it in the flow of exiting
> cooling air from the 3-4 head and cylinders.  I hadn?t really worried
> about it, but I think this is the problem.

Years ago, someone made and marketed a combination oil pump and
filter base which extended straight left and held the filter in that
hot airflow. Those units were an abismal failure, as they heated up
the oil. Sounds like you're seeing a similar problem.

As Keith and Daniel pointed out, you need to verify the calibration
of your gauge at boiling water temp, keeping in mind your altitude
and the effect that has on the boiling point. Then you should try to
install your gauge in a better place. In my opinion, the very best
place to install an oil temp gauge would be in the port on top of the
oil cooler, such that the sensor stuck down INTO the body of the
gauge, so that it sensed the temp of FLOWING oil on its way out of
the cooler.

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Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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