[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 80, Issue 4
S UNSWORTH
s.unsworth816 at btinternet.com
Fri May 5 02:29:06 PDT 2017
Replacing the Oil Seal between the Auto Transmission and Differential is a must do.
I fitted a used Auto Transmission of unknown history to my 1972 Type 3 1600A Variant Auto. On test drive that Seal failed and leaked Auto Transmission Fluid into the Differential. The Differential siezed. Locked up the rear wheels and spun the Variant off the road. No damage to the car or driver fortunately.
I then had the original Auto Transmission completely rebuilt. That was in 1992. It has been fine ever since that rebuild but if the Engine comes out for a rebuild then so will the Transmission just to replace that Seal again.
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Today's Topics:
1. 1971 Squareback F.I. Auto;
new engine coming (Stet Sanborn)
2. Re: 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming
(Bobsnotch at aol.com)
3. Re: 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming (Keith Park)
4. Re: 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming (Jim Adney)
5. Re: 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming (KENNETH ROGERS)
6. Re: FI PRESSURE SENSOR
(KENNETH ROGERS)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:54:44 -0700
From: Stet Sanborn <stet.sanborn at gmail.com>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: [T3] 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming
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Hey Everyone -
First off, thanks for years of great
advice; I've been lurking for a long
time and many of your emails have
answered questions I didn't even knew I
had.
I'm starting the planning process for
an engine replacement on my 1971
Squareback. I'm planning to
retain by fuel injection, as its been trouble
free for me for the last 9 years, and I
used to work for Bosch, so I have a
sentimental attachment to it. I'm
likely going to purchase a longblock
from ACN, mostly to save time off from
work. Here are my questions, before
I dive too deep:
1) I've got the factory 3-speed
auto. The car has just over 100,000 miles
on it; if I'm doing an engine swap,
should I also find a shop to do an
overhaul on the transmission? I
haven't noticed any problems (other than I
need to adjust my kickdown
switch). But; given age, etc... is it best done
now while I've got the engine already
coming out? They seem to be a pretty
robust build.
2) I'm trying to decide between a stock
1600, or ACN's 1800cc
mini-stroker. Any trouble with a
larger displacement and the Automatic
transmission? A few folks on
Samba have indicated they've done the 1800cc
with stock F.I; but I wanted to run in
by the experts. I wouldn't mind a
bit of extra power, but not at the
expense of other parts of the car.
3) The car also has the dealer
installed A/C unit, although I'm pretty sure
the compressor was leaking, so I
disconnected it years ago and plugged the
holes into the fan housing. Have
their been any new products out there for
replacement compressors (more
efficient, less drag, etc) that anyone has
seen? I'm tempted just to pull it
out completely, but might give it
another shot at life.
Cheers,
Stet
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 19:51:33 -0400
From: Bobsnotch at aol.com
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming
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In a message dated 5/3/2017 4:54:53
P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
stet.sanborn at gmail.com
writes:
Hey Everyone -
1) I've got the factory 3-speed
auto. The car has just over 100,000 miles
on it; if I'm doing an engine swap,
should I also find a shop to do an
overhaul on the transmission? I
haven't noticed any problems (other than I
need to adjust my kickdown
switch). But; given age, etc... is it best done
now while I've got the engine already
coming out? They seem to be a pretty
robust build.
2) I'm trying to decide between a
stock 1600, or ACN's 1800cc
mini-stroker. Any trouble
with a larger displacement and the Automatic
transmission? A few folks
on Samba have indicated they've done the 1800cc
with stock F.I; but I wanted to
run in by the experts. I wouldn't mind a
bit of extra power, but not at
the expense of other parts of the car.
3) The car also has the dealer
installed A/C unit, although I'm pretty sure
the compressor was leaking, so I
disconnected it years ago and plugged the
holes into the fan housing.
Have their been any new products out there for
replacement compressors (more
efficient, less drag, etc) that anyone has
seen? I'm tempted just to pull
it out completely, but might give it
another shot at life.
I'm going to try and answer these, but
they'll be out of order.
As for going with an 1800, you might
want to re-think this. I'll explain
this by saying the plenum and runners
are too small to adequately supply any
air volume/supply over a 1776 engine.
Look on the Samba in the D-jet PHD
sticky, as the numbers have been
crunched, and 1776 is the limit. You'll also
want to hunt down some green injectors
too. I'm pretty sure Phil is
running this part of the set up
in his 71 Fastback. You WILL have to tweak the
MPS though. Phil might be able to
help you with this, or contact Ray
Greenwood on the Samba, and he'll
give you more info that you'll ever want to get
it dialed in. ;-)
If you're going to rebuild it, wait
until your engine is almost done, so
the bands and such can be adjusted to a
running engine. The trans itself is
an 003, and can be rebuilt by most
anyone, as it's a Borg Warner unit.
You'll definitely want to replace
the gasket between the rear axle assembly
(differential), and the trans itself.
This is the 1 gasket in the trans axle
assembly/unit that can cause a problem
from failure (it pumps ATF into the
diff, causing the bearings to
go). But, if it's working fine, I'd be hard
pressed to rebuild it. Might be
something I'd do after having gone thru the
engine and dialing it in.
As for the AC, you'll want to swap most
of the entire system to R134, and
use a Sanden compressor. They don't use
as much power to run (like the old
ones did), so they've become an
excellent choice for retro fitting. I'd
contact Tram in the Samba t-3
forum, as he has a list of parts needed, and has
done a few retro fits into type
3s over the last couple of years. He was
talking about doing a type 3 kit,
for those who have mechanical ability, or
know someone who does AC work to
install it. The option is yours though if
you want to have it working, or
leave it as it is.
I hope this helps.
Bob 65 Notch w/Factory Sunroof
converted to IRS
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 20:21:40 -0400
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming
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the 1800 will run too lean on stock FI,
you can adjust it richer, but this
is not an easy thing to get right and
if the mixture is off on an air cooled
it will reach a quick death. you
need to KNOW the D jet and understand
everything about it to attemt to taylor
it for a larger engine, if you
worked for Bosch maybe you have that
in... ?? :-)
KEith
Topnotch Restorations
topnotch at nycap.rr.com
http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
71 Squareback "Hothe"
65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
93 RX7 "Redstur"
87 Golf "Winterat" RIP
01 Sentra SE "Boremobile"
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Subject: [T3] 1971 Squareback F.I.
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Hey Everyone -
First off, thanks for years of great
advice; I've been lurking for a long
time and many of your emails have
answered questions I didn't even knew I
had.
I'm starting the planning process for
an engine replacement on my 1971
Squareback. I'm planning to
retain by fuel injection, as its been trouble
free for me for the last 9 years, and I
used to work for Bosch, so I have a
sentimental attachment to it. I'm
likely going to purchase a longblock
from ACN, mostly to save time off from
work. Here are my questions, before
I dive too deep:
1) I've got the factory 3-speed
auto. The car has just over 100,000 miles
on it; if I'm doing an engine swap,
should I also find a shop to do an
overhaul on the transmission? I
haven't noticed any problems (other than I
need to adjust my kickdown
switch). But; given age, etc... is it best done
now while I've got the engine already
coming out? They seem to be a pretty
robust build.
2) I'm trying to decide between a stock
1600, or ACN's 1800cc
mini-stroker. Any trouble with a
larger displacement and the Automatic
transmission? A few folks on
Samba have indicated they've done the 1800cc
with stock F.I; but I wanted to run in
by the experts. I wouldn't mind a
bit of extra power, but not at the
expense of other parts of the car.
3) The car also has the dealer
installed A/C unit, although I'm pretty sure
the compressor was leaking, so I
disconnected it years ago and plugged the
holes into the fan housing. Have
their been any new products out there for
replacement compressors (more
efficient, less drag, etc) that anyone has
seen? I'm tempted just to pull it
out completely, but might give it
another shot at life.
Cheers,
Stet
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Date: Wed, 03 May 2017 20:07:22 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming
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On 3 May 2017 at 13:54, Stet Sanborn
wrote:
> 1) I've got the factory 3-speed
auto. The car has just over 100,000 miles
> on it; if I'm doing an engine
swap, should I also find a shop to do an
> overhaul on the
transmission? I haven't noticed any problems (other
than I
> need to adjust my kickdown
switch). But; given age, etc... is it best done
> now while I've got the engine
already coming out? They seem to be a pretty
> robust build.
There's always a large random factor in
the outcome of any work you
ask someone else to do. The ATs have
been extremely durable, so
turning one over to someone to rebuild
"just because" strikes me as a
waste of money with a significant
possibility of a poor outcome. I
wouldn't do it.
FYI, my '69 is on it's (at least) 3rd
engine, but the AT remains
untouched, except for replacement of
the O-ring under the governor
cover. That O-ring can (and should) be
replaced with the engine and
AT still in the car. (You need that
O-ring if the left side of the AT
is much oiler than the right.)
> 2) I'm trying to decide between a
stock 1600, or ACN's 1800cc
> mini-stroker. Any trouble
with a larger displacement and the Automatic
> transmission? A few folks on
Samba have indicated they've done the 1800cc
> with stock F.I; but I wanted to
run in by the experts. I wouldn't mind a
> bit of extra power, but not at the
expense of other parts of the car.
Sorry, I don't know how far you can
push the AT before it starts to
suffer.
I'm admittedly wedded to stock,
primarily because that's where it's
easiest to get factory longevity and
reliability. Yes, you can get
that with larger displacement engines,
but not with the parts that
most places sell. Plan to spend big
bucks from the priciest places
for parts and machine work if that's
what you want, and don't expect
a random stranger to put the same care
into the assembly that you
would if you had the time.
If you're thinking about buying an
engine from one of the mail order
builders, I'd advise you to hang on to
your OE engine, as you'll
probably discover that the engine you
get will need some Type 3 parts
that the builder didn't know about.
Plus that core engine will give
you the base to eventually do the
rebuild you really wanted. Keep in
mind that the engine you get from a
rebuilder will consist of parts
that other people didn't want.
The workability with the D-jet FI can
be a problem. Yes, it can
probably be done, but don't expect it
to be a drop-in slam dunk.
In your position, here's what I'd
recommend: Buy a virgin '70-1
engine from somewhere. Tear it down and
build it up as your time
permits. Do the research and the work
yourself. Ask a lot of
questions and work slowly and
carefully. It won't matter how long it
takes, as long as you have a place to
do the work, since the engine
in your car is still running (and will
probably continue to run for
much longer than you think.) Once
you're finished, you have your
rebuild, plus a running core that you
can quickly swap back in if you
run into a problem.
If you're interested in doing this
yourself, I have a writeup with
things that I recommend be put into a
careful engine rebuild. Some of
these things will give you just as much
street cred as a larger
engine, along with better reliability
and durability along with a bit
more power.
> 3) The car also has the dealer
installed A/C unit, although I'm pretty sure
> the compressor was leaking, so I
disconnected it years ago and plugged the
> holes into the fan housing.
Have their been any new products out there for
> replacement compressors (more
efficient, less drag, etc) that anyone has
> seen? I'm tempted just to
pull it out completely, but might give it
> another shot at life.
I understand the appeal of AC, but we
have to keep in mind that this
was something that VWAG never
considered or engineered. In this
country it was
something designed here and dealer
installed, to make sales to people
who would only consider buying a car
with AC. I don't like it because
it adds extra heat load to the engine
at the exact time when the
engine's own heat load is at its
maximum. In other words, when it's
hot out and the engine's cooling system
is already working at its
max, why add more load, and heat, to
the engine?
--
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Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 23:35:35 -0400
(EDT)
From: KENNETH ROGERS <kensue356 at cableone.net>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming
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Stet,
You are going to have a lot of issues
to deal with. Money, time, lots of down time,
research, and lots of frustration.
I have 71 automatic Squareback with
475,000 miles on it. It shifts perfect. The
trans has never been rebuilt. only serviced. A 1640 cc
now, on it's 4th motor. Even now, I have issues with that FI
motor. All that you want to do is in my opinion is pipe
dream. Sorry to be blunt. It is going to be trouble,
trouble, and more trouble. Why would want to degrade
the original design of the car? I tell you, keep her
simple and true, and she will be a second true love to you.
Hey, I'll could sell you my 65 Porsche
356c, but that will cost you really big bucks if you that's
want you want is speed and handling. Keep her nice and enjoy
the ac. That's cool. People will always give you the
hi fives, and the fives you will save will be in your wallet
to spend cruising and enjoy life with your chick into the
sunset.
Please don't try to be different. You
already are having a VW Tpye 3. Not that there is any
thing wrong with that. ENJOY!!!, and good luck.
Kenny Rogers
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Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 1:54:44
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Subject: [T3] 1971 Squareback F.I.
Auto; new engine coming
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Hey Everyone -
First off, thanks for years of great
advice; I've been lurking for a long
time and many of your emails have
answered questions I didn't even knew I
had.
I'm starting the planning process for
an engine replacement on my 1971
Squareback. I'm planning to
retain by fuel injection, as its been trouble
free for me for the last 9 years, and I
used to work for Bosch, so I have a
sentimental attachment to it. I'm
likely going to purchase a longblock
from ACN, mostly to save time off from
work. Here are my questions, before
I dive too deep:
1) I've got the factory 3-speed
auto. The car has just over 100,000 miles
on it; if I'm doing an engine swap,
should I also find a shop to do an
overhaul on the transmission? I
haven't noticed any problems (other than I
need to adjust my kickdown
switch). But; given age, etc... is it best done
now while I've got the engine already
coming out? They seem to be a pretty
robust build.
2) I'm trying to decide between a stock
1600, or ACN's 1800cc
mini-stroker. Any trouble with a
larger displacement and the Automatic
transmission? A few folks on
Samba have indicated they've done the 1800cc
with stock F.I; but I wanted to run in
by the experts. I wouldn't mind a
bit of extra power, but not at the
expense of other parts of the car.
3) The car also has the dealer
installed A/C unit, although I'm pretty sure
the compressor was leaking, so I
disconnected it years ago and plugged the
holes into the fan housing. Have
their been any new products out there for
replacement compressors (more
efficient, less drag, etc) that anyone has
seen? I'm tempted just to pull it
out completely, but might give it
another shot at life.
Cheers,
Stet
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Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 23:42:30 -0400
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From: KENNETH ROGERS <kensue356 at cableone.net>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] FI PRESSURE SENSOR
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Gary.
I got Bratwurts, stout beer with sweet
onions today. I can't wait. Tell you later.
Kenny Rogers
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Kenny --
Re: Your P.S. "Is anybody boiling
hot dogs in beer yet?"
Not relevant to our Type 3's ... or is
it? Hot dogs, wieners and
frankfurters are all about the
same. Bratwurst are a bit different,
Brats (as well as hot dogs wieners and
frankfurters) and VW Type 3's are
both products of Germany, aren't they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bratwurst
Since no one else chose to respond,
Kenny, I will.
We don't boil our hot dogs in beer ...
but Bratwurst, ABSOLUTELY.
Wisconsin is known for cheese, brats
and beer.
But the preparation is the key.
1.) Buy fresh (not frozen)
4-to-the-pound, pork Brats.
2.) Soak Brats in beer and lots
of coarsely chopped onions - any brand of
beer will do, but a Stout beer is best
- for (at least) 1 hour. Overnight
is better. Beer and onion mixture
should cover the Brats.
3.) Fire up the charcoal or
propane grill. Place the Brats, beer & onion
mixture is a shallow aluminum
pan, Make sure the Brats are in one layer
and "mostly" covered by the liquid.
4.) Boil the Brats for at least 45
minutes. Add more beer as needed.
5.) Remove as many Brats, as
people on your guest list, and grill them on
all sides until nicely "browned".
6.) Serve on toasted Brat
Buns. Make raw chopped Onions, stone ground
Mustard, pickle Relish available as
condiments. (No ketchup)
7.) Sit on the rear deck of your
Type 3 and enjoy.
If you try this recipe, please post
your results and 1-to-10 opinion.
--
Gary "Frito" - '69 Squareback, FI, MT,
One-owner
Rockport, TX (winter)
Lake Geneva, WI (summer)
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