[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 157, Issue 5
Stephen Unsworth
s.unsworth816 at btinternet.com
Fri Dec 15 02:42:26 PST 2023
Repair Kits for Pierburg Mechanical Fuel Pumps are readily available in the UK. No idea if Brosol will be the same.
Original Diaphragm Materiel was / is made by EFFBE in France. You can make your own Diaphragms if you get the right materiel. I got in touch with EFFBE who kindly sent some to me Free of Charge.
I have also been able to buy Reconditioned Pierburg Type 3 and Beetle ( Bug ) Mechanical Pumps from eBay in Germany.
You will find there is a guy in the USA ( Utah ? ) vintagewerks.com who Reconditions VW Fuel Pumps and Distributors.
Steve U
------ Original Message ------
On Thursday, 14 Dec, 23 At 19:11, type3-vwtype3.org-request at lists.vwtype3.org wrote:
Send type3-vwtype3.org mailing list submissions to
type3-vwtype3.org at lists.vwtype3.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
type3-vwtype3.org-request at lists.vwtype3.org
You can reach the person managing the list at
type3-vwtype3.org-owner at lists.vwtype3.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of type3-vwtype3.org digest..."
***********************************
When replying to the digest, please remember to trim your message. Thanks! :)
***********************************
_______________________________________________
VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
_______________________________________________
Today's Topics:
1. Re: 2024 Invasion Updates! (Keith Park)
2. Mechanical Fuel pump kit (Joe Plowick III)
3. Re: Mechanical Fuel pump kit (Jim Adney)
4. Re: Mechanical Fuel pump kit (Joe Plowick III)
5. Re: Mechanical Fuel pump kit (Brion Sabbatino)
6. Re: Mechanical Fuel pump kit (Joe Plowick III)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2023 21:15:25 -0500
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] 2024 Invasion Updates!
Message-ID: <000e01da2e33$66a12ea0$33e38be0$@nycap.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Thanks John for updating the site! I got my own room at the stonehouse
reserved this week and owner was stoked about
Seeing all the old vw's!! Ill be talking with the town clerk about details,
like if we can get a group rate to go up Mt defiance in the next couple
weeks and plan to be up there
After Christmas to case out some cruise routes and photo ops.
This is gonna be awesome!!!
Keith
Topnotch Restorations
topnotch at nycap.rr.com
http://www.topnotchresto.com
71 Squareback? ?Hothe?
65 Notchback? ?El Baja Rojo?
93 RX7? ?Redstur?
13 Subaru?Outback?"Blendin"
-----Original Message-----
From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org> On
Behalf Of John Jaranson
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 12:17 AM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] 2024 Invasion Updates!
Updated the Invasion website by adding some more Invaders to the List and
Map. I also put up a preliminary Schedule of Events, FAQs, and some
Maps/Directions.
Check it all out at https://www.carartbyjohn.com/2024Invasion/index.html
Keep sending your info to get added. Remember there is no registration fee
or obligation. We just keep the list to help us plan and to help Invaders
maybe organize a caravan with fellow Invaders coming from the same area.
Will continue to add more content and details as we work them out.
John
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231213/a
51a32a0/attachment.htm>
_______________________________________________
VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org To unsubscribe or change
subscription options, visit:
http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:16:08 -0600
From: Joe Plowick III <gtixpress at gmail.com>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit
Message-ID:
<CAAAV1UsqGhutDkNuWwUzbAbM1565fJx86MPrPiPw1z65iCpuAA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm
for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for
these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is starting
to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it apart
and moving it a little usually gets it working again.
https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz
Thanks,
Joe P.
'69 Squareback
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/fada36dc/attachment.htm>
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 12:01:56 -0600
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit
Message-ID: <657B4314.7833.4736D6B at jadney.vwtype3.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:
>
> I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm
>
> for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for
>
> these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is starting
>
> to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it apart
> and moving it a little usually gets it working again.
>
> https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz
It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the check
valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not work.
I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old
rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to get
quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try would be to
let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.
If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline
side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the rubber.
I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more likely to
break it.
I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are getting
scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.
I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your own.
This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have
to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.
--
*******************************
Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
*******************************
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 12:42:47 -0600
From: Joe Plowick III <gtixpress at gmail.com>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit
Message-ID:
<CAAAV1Ut3OORXjDZ7YCc8FKo7iyBX5c4p-HyGat-NzNSnZj2omw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
The issue appears to be the diaphragm getting stiff. The pump had worked
beautifully before, but then I hadn't ran the engine for a few months.
When I tried it again, it wasn't pumping fuel. I removed the top cover and
the diaphragm wasn't very flexible. I sprayed everything out with carb
cleaner and flexed the diaphragm which freed it up. After that, it started
working again. The rest of the pump inside looked brand new. I just
haven't come across a replacement that matches. I have a Pierburg pump as
well that didn't work for me last time I tried, and probably needs a
rebuild as well. I may have to dig that one out and see if it's got a
different design and better parts availability.
Joe P.
On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:03?PM Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:
>
>
> > I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm
>
> > for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for
> > these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is
> starting
>
> > to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it
> apart
> > and moving it a little usually gets it working again.
> >
> > https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz
>
> It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the
> check
>
> valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not
> work.
>
>
> I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old
>
> rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to
> get
>
> quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try
> would be to
>
> let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.
>
>
> If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline
>
> side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the
> rubber.
>
>
> I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more
> likely to
> break it.
>
>
> I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are
> getting
> scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.
>
>
> I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your
> own.
>
> This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have
> to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.
>
> --
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
> If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/76f0c8f2/attachment.htm>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 18:46:04 +0000
From: Brion Sabbatino <brionsab at msn.com>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit
Message-ID:
<PH7PR84MB195999D096E2DE2E378A360CCD8CA at PH7PR84MB1959.NAMPRD84.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
I did a quick Google search. Rebuild kits came up. One must be correct for your pump. Post on the Samba. Someone must have the way forward.
Beion S
________________________________
From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org> on behalf of Joe Plowick III <gtixpress at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:42:47 AM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit
The issue appears to be the diaphragm getting stiff. The pump had worked
beautifully before, but then I hadn't ran the engine for a few months.
When I tried it again, it wasn't pumping fuel. I removed the top cover and
the diaphragm wasn't very flexible. I sprayed everything out with carb
cleaner and flexed the diaphragm which freed it up. After that, it started
working again. The rest of the pump inside looked brand new. I just
haven't come across a replacement that matches. I have a Pierburg pump as
well that didn't work for me last time I tried, and probably needs a
rebuild as well. I may have to dig that one out and see if it's got a
different design and better parts availability.
Joe P.
On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:03?PM Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:
>
>
> > I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new diaphragm
>
> > for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits for
> > these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is
> starting
>
> > to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it
> apart
> > and moving it a little usually gets it working again.
> >
> > https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz
>
> It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the
> check
>
> valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not
> work.
>
>
> I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old
>
> rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to
> get
>
> quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try
> would be to
>
> let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.
>
>
> If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline
>
> side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the
> rubber.
>
>
> I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more
> likely to
> break it.
>
>
> I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are
> getting
> scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.
>
>
> I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your
> own.
>
> This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have
> to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.
>
> --
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
>
> _______________________________________________
> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
> If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/76f0c8f2/attachment.htm>
_______________________________________________
VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/8622ab87/attachment.htm>
------------------------------
Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:11:14 -0600
From: Joe Plowick III <gtixpress at gmail.com>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit
Message-ID:
<CAAAV1UvUZSc+Ei-MO77F2TDD_vEmJSeeRfn8w_s-bBOESQ4i7w at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
By what I saw, it would appear that the Brosol is a clone of the Pierburg
pumps. I've seen some rebuild kits but they didn't look like what I saw in
the pump, but I could be wrong. Although with some of the prices I was
seeing, it would probably be cheaper to get my aftermarket electric pump
working. I just didn't want the hassle of the additional wiring for it.
On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:46?PM Brion Sabbatino <brionsab at msn.com> wrote:
>
> I did a quick Google search. Rebuild kits came up. One must be correct for
> your pump. Post on the Samba. Someone must have the way forward.
>
> Beion S
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: type3-vwtype3.org <type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org> on
> behalf of Joe Plowick III <gtixpress at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 11:42:47 AM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Mechanical Fuel pump kit
>
>
> The issue appears to be the diaphragm getting stiff. The pump had worked
>
> beautifully before, but then I hadn't ran the engine for a few months.
>
> When I tried it again, it wasn't pumping fuel. I removed the top cover and
>
> the diaphragm wasn't very flexible. I sprayed everything out with carb
>
> cleaner and flexed the diaphragm which freed it up. After that, it started
> working again. The rest of the pump inside looked brand new. I just
>
> haven't come across a replacement that matches. I have a Pierburg pump as
> well that didn't work for me last time I tried, and probably needs a
>
> rebuild as well. I may have to dig that one out and see if it's got a
> different design and better parts availability.
>
> Joe P.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 12:03?PM Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
>
> > On 14 Dec 2023 at 9:16, Joe Plowick III wrote:
> >
> > > I have a T3 mechanical fuel pump that I would like to get a new
> diaphragm
>
> > > for. It's a Brosol pump with a 4 screw top cover. Do they make kits
> for
> > > these? The pump is in good shape and works, but the diaphragm is
> > starting
>
> > > to stiffen up after sitting and won't push fuel any more. Taking it
> > apart
> > > and moving it a little usually gets it working again.
> > >
> > > https://ibb.co/8cZsTnz
> >
>
> > It's possible that the problem is not with the diaphram, but with the
> > check
>
> > valves. Clean any dried gas residue off them, or they can stick and not
> > work.
> >
>
> > I don't know much about the mechanical fuel pumps, but, in general, old
>
> > rubber parts that were in contact with gasoline for a long time tend to
> > get
>
> > quite stiff if they are allowed to dry out. The first thing I would try
> > would be to
>
> > let the diaphram soak in gasoline for a few days, to see if that helps.
> >
>
> > If that works, reassemble the pump with some grease on the non-gasoline
>
> > side, to help keep some petroleum oil in contact with that side of the
> > rubber.
> >
>
> > I don't recommend just flexing the rubber to soften it up; that's more
> > likely to
> > break it.
> >
>
> > I don't know if a kit for a different maker would fit. And those kits are
> > getting
> > scarce. You might have to resort to buying a new pump.
> >
>
> > I have some silicone diaphram material if you'd like to try making your
> > own.
>
> > This came from Russ, years ago, and should be quite good, but you'd have
> > to cut and punch it to shape, and do the rivet in the center.
> >
> > --
> > *******************************
> > Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> > Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> > *******************************
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
> > To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
> > http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
> > If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
> >
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <
>
> http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/76f0c8f2/attachment.htm
> >
> _______________________________________________
> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
> If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: <
>
> http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/8622ab87/attachment.htm
> >
> _______________________________________________
> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
> To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
> If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231214/ca6503ef/attachment.htm>
------------------------------
Subject: Digest Footer
_______________________________________________
VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
To unsubscribe or change subscription options, visit:
http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
If you need more help, contact: gregm at vwtype3.org
------------------------------
End of type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 157, Issue 5
*************************************************
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.vwtype3.org/pipermail/type3-vwtype3.org/attachments/20231215/967e851a/attachment.htm>
More information about the type3-vwtype3.org
mailing list