[T3] Old Type IIIs

[Dennis Stiefel]

On 2/23/2011 12:16 PM, Jimmy Lingenfelter wrote:
> Okay, okay.... but before you burn me at the stake, my final words:
>
> I have known so many people with FI type III's; from pristine low mileage/never
> tampered with cars to total beaters that had been hacked apart by idiot
> mechanics; I have driven them after having the FI system completely redone by a
> man who I consider to be one of the foremost authorities on aircooled vw's (type
> III and otherwise) in the U.S., who has been servicing the FI on  those cars
> since they were new at the dealership.... and there is no comparison with my
> carb setup. Maybe I just got lucky? It's a stock motor, Weber 34ICT carbs with
> no chokes; always started immediately in sub zero weather and was warmed up and
> drivable in 30 seconds. In the seven years I've owned the car, and for at least
> 10 years before that, the carbs have never needed to be synced, or touched in
> any other way other than to rejet them when I moved to sea level from Colorado.
> Even with them jetted very large now, I can get over 40mpg on the highway (I
> could get 50 in Colorado). I could do 80mph up a 7% grade, where I GUARANTEE you
> a FI car couldn't make it to 60. The only thing, in 7 years of daily driving,
> that has ever kept this car from running was the silicone pieces stuck in the
> fuel line (see my previous emails). The best FI car I've ever encountered was
> roughly equivalent to mine running on 3 cylinders.
>
>
> Is it just that every FI I've encountered was not set up right, etc.? Maybe, but
> if it's really THAT hard to find one usable, or to GET them usable, then that
> just reinforces my reasons for not wanting anything to do with it.
>
> There, now you may light the fire.
>   
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Keith Park<topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 11:43:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [T3] Old Type IIIs
>
> Here comes the Angry mob! ;-)
>
> 320K on mine and maybe a couple minor FI issues over the years,  Why?  There
> is simply very little to go wrong..  If someone has butchered up your
> harness or installed the wrong parts then yea, your going to have problems
> but if its properly assembled and treated correctly its bulletproof.
>
> Carburators are a giant leap back in technology, and there are so many
> little things that can go wrong with them.
>
> Besides... you'll never be able to get your car to start on the first
> compression stroke at any outside temperature with Carbs but with a good FI
> system... perfect starts every time without touching the accelerator!
>
> Back in the 70's when carbs were still prevalent there wasn't a month that
> Dad didn't have the hood up on one of the cars to mess with the carburetor,
> and it needed adjustment changes from winter to summer.... none of this with
> FI.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>      I will be ridiculed, as always, for saying this, but I still 
> stand by it; my type III has been a daily driver for 7 years; if it's 
> not running, my family is minus a car. It is used to ferry the kids 
> around, has had to go on long trips, etc. Since I have owned it, I 
> have known a FEW other people that used them as REAL daily drivers, 
> with one friend basically using his as a work truck on unpaved 
> mountain backroads, logging 1,000 miles a week or more. Everybody 
> I've known that REALLY depended on a type III for serious dependable 
> transportation would tell you what I'm about to tell you, and it's 
> very simple: Throw the fuel injection system in the trash and put 
> carburetors on it.
>
>
>
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Been there done that on the carb thing with both a duel and single set 
up. Not impressed that's why I am going back with FI. Plus I have most 
of the stuff to go back to FI and lost my carb set up (long story why I 
lost it) so with the price of new carb set ups it going to be cheaper 
for me to do FI.

Dennis Stiefel

Rainsville, AL, USA