[T3] Fixed - Rocks in a time can sound
Gregory N. Cox
gregorycox1 at me.com
Wed Jun 1 17:49:18 PDT 2011
First of all, thanks to everyone who chimed in with a solution. In particular, thanks go out to Denis S., Jim A. and Jimmy L. with their assessment of a rogue bolt in the case coming loose behind the fan. That was it!. After a nice 10 hour experience (novice here) I and my trusty pal Floyd got it fixed.
I really appreciate the help you guys provide to the Type 3 community.
Greg
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:26:44 -0500
> From: "Gregory N. Cox" <gregorycox1 at me.com>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: [T3] Rocks in a tin can sound
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> I was driving my '73 Sqbk yesterday and in a turn lane waiting on a light. Engaged clutch, shifted into first and as the engine revved, a sound like rocks being shaken in a tin can started. I pulled off immediately and shut down the engine. After removing the hatch for a look, I then restated the engine. At low rpm, no sound. Upon an increase, the loud rattle states.
>
> Any idea where to start first?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Greg
>
> CEO and Principal
>
> Gregory Cox & Associates LLC
> NETWORK DESIGN, STRUCTURED IP CABLING, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, ACCESS CONTROL
> & RELATED TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING
> 211 Shamrock Drive
> Madison, AL 35758
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> Email: greg at gregorycoxandassociates.com
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 08:29:29 -0700
> From: Mike Fisher <fisherfarms at gmail.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Rocks in a tin can sound
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> Rocker arm fell off the push rod and is rattling?
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Gregory N. Cox <gregorycox1 at me.com> wrote:
>> I was driving my '73 Sqbk yesterday and in a turn lane waiting on a light. Engaged clutch, shifted into first and as the engine revved, a sound like rocks being shaken in a tin can started. I pulled off immediately and shut down the engine. After removing the hatch for a look, I then restated the engine. At low rpm, no sound. Upon an increase, the loud rattle states.
>>
>> Any idea where to start first?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> CEO and Principal
>>
>> Gregory Cox & Associates LLC
>> NETWORK DESIGN, STRUCTURED IP CABLING, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, ACCESS CONTROL
>> & RELATED TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING
>> 211 Shamrock Drive
>> Madison, AL 35758
>>
>> Email: greg at gregorycoxandassociates.com
>> Web: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregorycoxandassociates
>> Office: (256) 513-9462
>> Mobile: (256) 679-1250
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>> Contact gregm at vwtype3.org if you need help with the list.
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 09:03:40 -0700
> From: "C. Rochambeau" <crochambeau at gmail.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Rocks in a tin can sound
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> Loose cooling tin?
> Loose exhaust connectors?
>
> I've also had a spot weld let go at the heat shield atop the muffler, which
> will rattle like hell if you let it.
>
> I'd start by rapping on all the parts of the engine when cold to hear if you
> can isolate an external source before going inside the engine.
>
> c
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> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Mike Fisher <fisherfarms at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Rocker arm fell off the push rod and is rattling?
>>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Gregory N. Cox <gregorycox1 at me.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I was driving my '73 Sqbk yesterday and in a turn lane waiting on a
>> light. Engaged clutch, shifted into first and as the engine revved, a sound
>> like rocks being shaken in a tin can started. I pulled off immediately and
>> shut down the engine. After removing the hatch for a look, I then restated
>> the engine. At low rpm, no sound. Upon an increase, the loud rattle states.
>>>
>>> Any idea where to start first?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> CEO and Principal
>>>
>>> Gregory Cox & Associates LLC
>>> NETWORK DESIGN, STRUCTURED IP CABLING, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, ACCESS CONTROL
>>> & RELATED TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING
>>> 211 Shamrock Drive
>>> Madison, AL 35758
>>>
>>> Email: greg at gregorycoxandassociates.com
>>> Web: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregorycoxandassociates
>>> Office: (256) 513-9462
>>> Mobile: (256) 679-1250
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> From: Dennis Stiefel <dlstiefel at dekalbk12.org>
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> On 5/26/2011 10:26 AM, Gregory N. Cox wrote:
>> I was driving my '73 Sqbk yesterday and in a turn lane waiting on a light. Engaged clutch, shifted into first and as the engine revved, a sound like rocks being shaken in a tin can started. I pulled off immediately and shut down the engine. After removing the hatch for a look, I then restated the engine. At low rpm, no sound. Upon an increase, the loud rattle states.
>>
>> Any idea where to start first?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> CEO and Principal
>>
>> Gregory Cox& Associates LLC
>> NETWORK DESIGN, STRUCTURED IP CABLING, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, ACCESS CONTROL
>> & RELATED TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING
>> 211 Shamrock Drive
>> Madison, AL 35758
>>
>> Email: greg at gregorycoxandassociates.com
>> Web: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregorycoxandassociates
>> Office: (256) 513-9462
>> Mobile: (256) 679-1250
>> _______________________________________________
>> VWType3.Org mailing list - type3 at vwtype3.org
>> http://lists.vwtype3.org/listinfo.cgi/type3-vwtype3.org
>> Contact gregm at vwtype3.org if you need help with the list.
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> Greg I had something similar happen to me when my Fastback was still
> running and it was a small bolt in the fan housing behind the fan that
> came loose. Had to take the half of the fan housing off and the fan to
> fix it. Maybe I will be in the Huntsville area in the next few weeks
> and look at it for you if you haven't found a solution by then.
> Dennis Stiefel
> Rainsville, AL
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 12:00:44 -0500
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Rocks in a tin can sound
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> On 26 May 2011 at 10:26, Gregory N. Cox wrote:
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>> I was driving my '73 Sqbk yesterday and in a turn lane waiting on a
>> light. Engaged clutch, shifted into first and as the engine revved, a
>> sound like rocks being shaken in a tin can started. I pulled off
>> immediately and shut down the engine. After removing the hatch for a
>> look, I then restated the engine. At low rpm, no sound. Upon an
>> increase, the loud rattle states.
>
> With a long screwdriver, blunt end in your ear, you may be able to
> pinpoint the source of the noise.
>
> First, check the muffler heat shields, as they're easy to get to and
> they often cause sounds like this. If this is the problem, you can
> either ignore it, or get it welded/brazed back in place. It's a
> harmless problem and a rather easy fix.
>
> The more common problem is that 2 of the screws that hold the front
> half of the fan housing to the engine case come loose and rattle
> against the spinning fan. If this is the problem, you need to fix it
> before you run the engine much, because it will eventually ruin the
> fan.
>
> To fix this, you have to remove the pulley housing along with the
> pulley, then the rear fan housing half, and then the fan. DO NOT pry
> on the fan; if you can't wobble it free, use the 2 threaded jackscrew
> holes in the hub to push it off.
>
> Once you get the fan orr, the screws will probably fall to the
> ground. You'll see where they lived and where they were captured. The
> best thing to do at this point is to tap the threaded holes in the
> case deeper and get longer screws. Install the screws with Loctite,
> tighten them, and then put some silicone caulk on top of them so they
> can't back out even if they come loose again.
>
> It's a rather big/long job, but at least you don't need to tear the
> engine down or take it out of the car to do it.
>
> When you're done, be sure to torque the fan bolt to the TYPE 3 spec.
>
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> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:21:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jimmy Lingenfelter <jimmyandcher at yahoo.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Rocks in a tin can sound
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> I had a similar experience years ago on my squareback; in my case it turned out
> to be that the bolt that actually holds the fan on the end of the crankshaft had
> loosened. Ended up having to replace the fan, since it was slightly warped out
> of balance from rattling around in there, and the bolt would never stay tight
> again until I replaced the fan.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> Greg
>
> CEO and Principal
>
> Gregory Cox & Associates LLC
> NETWORK DESIGN, STRUCTURED IP CABLING, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE, ACCESS CONTROL?
> & RELATED TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING
> 211 Shamrock Drive
> Madison, AL 35758
>
> Email: greg at gregorycoxandassociates.com
> Web: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregorycoxandassociates
> Office: (256) 513-9462
> Mobile: (256) 679-1250
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 10:43:59 -0700
> From: "Ken Main Mail" <kensue356 at cableone.net>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: [T3] jim's turn signal assy
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> Jim,
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> I'll go ahead and ship you the turn signal assy. I just bought a brand
> new old stock NOS/SWK on the Samba. You will see it on the first page of
> T3 parts.
>
>
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> Kenny Rogers
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 11:14:52 -0700
> From: "Ken Main Mail" <kensue356 at cableone.net>
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> Subject: [T3] FW: jim's turn signal assy
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> Jim,
>
> Update,
>
> I just mailed you the turn signal assy. I am giving it to you. Don't worry
> about the postage.
>
> Could you mail me one of the screws that hold the assy. down to the steering
> column? I only have 3 screws that hold the turn signal assy.
>
> Ken Rogers
> 7337 n. brilliant sky way
> Prescott valley, az. 86315
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Ken Main
> Mail
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] jim's turn signal assy
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> Jim,
>
>
>
> I'll go ahead and ship you the turn signal assy. I just bought a brand
> new old stock NOS/SWK on the Samba. You will see it on the first page of
> T3 parts.
>
>
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> Kenny Rogers
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> Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 15:24:43 -0500
> From: crash 69 <dhbadeer at gmail.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Signal
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> Jim,
>
> Thanks for the offer, I'll keep that in mind. No problem for now on the TS,
> I have other issues.
>
> I've driven over 1200 miles in the past 30 days and it's been running like a
> top. Today it starts bucking and missing, then dies on a two lane highway
> (I live in the country). Cranks but won't fire. Just got it towed home.
> So, I'll be digging into ignition, fuel, yada yada soon. Fortunately, it's
> not my DD, so I can take my time and figure it out. Hopefully nothing
> serious.
>
> Later,
> Dan
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
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>> BTW, that flaw in the TS switch is usually rather easily fixable.
>> I've never worked on a switch this early, but if you'd care to send
>> it to me someday, I'd be happy to give it a shot.
>>
>> I'd give you a break, just to get the experience, and there would be
>> no charge at all if I can't fix it.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On 26 May 2011 at 8:01, crash 69 wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Dave!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 5:42 AM, Dave Hall <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The right and left dash indicators do work together - you can mess with
>> the
>>>> wiring on the instrument wiring block on the back of it to get them
>> working
>>>> only the way you are indicating, but mostly it's obvious from the
>> position
>>>> of the lever which way to cancel them, and in your case, just release
>> the
>>>> lever!
>>>>
>>>> Dave.
>>>> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
>>>> ===================
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
>>>> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of
>> crash 69
>>>> Sent: 26 May 2011 01:27
>>>> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Signal
>>>>
>>>> It's funny how we all have different experiences. On my 65 Square, I
>> have
>>>> to hold the signal lever through the turn, because it won't stay up or
>> down
>>>> on it's own.........and both right and left green dash lights blink
>>>> simultaneously, while the correct outside lamp is indicating my turn.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Dave Hall <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone driving a pre-61 Bug will have had to learn to turn the
>>>>> indicator off again each time. If they were in the UK, they also had
>>>>> to look after the semaphores up to 1960.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave.
>>>>> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
>>>>> ===================
>>>>>
>>>>
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