[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 22, Issue 15

Tue Jul 10 20:07:36 PDT 2012

Re: Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done (Gary Forsmo)

Robert -- Thanks for the Kansas City business (Keystone) that chromes.
 I'll add them to my list of possible sources.

Keith -- Any response that Bob made about the TN Chrome Shop quality?
Problems?  Cost?

When I had my bumper and bumperettes stripped, holes filled, copper,
nickle & chromed ($236.25) in 1987.

I have a friend who has over 60 years experience refurbishing cars.
He's probably done fifty or more.  Even now he still does everything
(dis-assembly -- that's the easy part -- ; metal fabricating, welding;
body work; engine rebuild; wiring: priming; sanding; etc. ... except
the final body painting and upholstery.  However, it's not unusual for
him to spend $10,000.00 on a custom leather interior.  He's really a
talent & his work is knock-dead gorgeous.  And he drives his cars.
They aren't Trailer Queens.

I'll have to ask him who he trusts his chrome work to.  If I get a
name, address, etc., I'll be glad to share the info.

Gary "Frito" - '69 FI, MT, Variant

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>    1. Re: Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done (Gary Forsmo)
>    2. Re: Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done (Robert Rogers)
>    3. Re: Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done (Dave Hall)
>    4. Re: Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done (Jim Adney)
>    5. Re: Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
>       (Bobsnotch at aol.com)
>    6. Re: Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
>       (Bobsnotch at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:46:45 -0500
> From: Gary Forsmo <gbforsmo at gmail.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
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> That was supposed to be bumpers, not numbers. :O
>
> Those were the ones you had so much trouble with right? I was just wanting
> to know how they turned out, as they look good in the pics. You sent them
> to  Tennessee to be done right?
>
> I'm only asking, because I'm looking at having my T-34 bumpers done.
>
> Bob 65 Notch  S with sunroof and IRS (Krusty)
> 64 T-34 Ghia  (Wolfie)
>
> To ask a similar question, as Bob did ...
>
> After a quick install of my front bumper, before the "custom" towing
> base plate was bolted up to the axle beam, I realized that having it
> stored in a garage attic and barn for 20+ years didn't do the chrome
> any favors.
>
> The '69 Square being towed from Wisconsin to Colorado Springs and
> back, went fine.  But the chrome REALLY needs to be redone.  It's
> pretty ugly, at present.
>
> Does anybody have good "re-chrome" source?  I'm willing to send them
> off if the quality is 1) affordable and 2) produces good results.
>
> I used to have a sign hanging in my office.  It was a triangle with
> words at each point.  The words were: Good; Fast; Cheap.
> Below it said: PICK ANY TWO!
>
> The message was clear.  Anything could be done:
> Good & Fast ... but it won't be cheap.
> Fast & Cheap ... but it won't be good.
> Good & Cheap ... but it won't be fast.
>
> Good chrome shop?  Anyone?
>
> How were the backside of bumpers finished by VW in Germany?
>
> Gary "Frito" - '69 Variant, FI, MT
> Rockport, TX (winter)
> Lake Geneva, WI (summer)
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:07:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Robert Rogers <rcrogers1 at peoplepc.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
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> I have had two sets of T3 bumpers re-chromed with excellent results.  I'm in the Kansas City area, but I am happy to send you the contact information:
> Keystone
> 555 River Park Rd.
> Kansas City, MO  6615
> 800-530-5836
>
> chclark at lkqcorp.com
> (816) 921 8929 ext. 4227
> ________________________________________
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Gary Forsmo <gbforsmo at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Jul 10, 2012 11:46 AM
>>To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>>Subject: Re: [T3] Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
>>
>>That was supposed to be bumpers, not numbers. :O
>>
>>Those were the ones you had so much trouble with right? I was just wanting
>>to know how they turned out, as they look good in the pics. You sent them
>>to  Tennessee to be done right?
>>
>>I'm only asking, because I'm looking at having my T-34 bumpers done.
>>
>>Bob 65 Notch  S with sunroof and IRS (Krusty)
>>64 T-34 Ghia  (Wolfie)
>>
>>To ask a similar question, as Bob did ...
>>
>>After a quick install of my front bumper, before the "custom" towing
>>base plate was bolted up to the axle beam, I realized that having it
>>stored in a garage attic and barn for 20+ years didn't do the chrome
>>any favors.
>>
>>The '69 Square being towed from Wisconsin to Colorado Springs and
>>back, went fine.  But the chrome REALLY needs to be redone.  It's
>>pretty ugly, at present.
>>
>>Does anybody have good "re-chrome" source?  I'm willing to send them
>>off if the quality is 1) affordable and 2) produces good results.
>>
>>I used to have a sign hanging in my office.  It was a triangle with
>>words at each point.  The words were: Good; Fast; Cheap.
>>Below it said: PICK ANY TWO!
>>
>>The message was clear.  Anything could be done:
>>Good & Fast ... but it won't be cheap.
>>Fast & Cheap ... but it won't be good.
>>Good & Cheap ... but it won't be fast.
>>
>>Good chrome shop?  Anyone?
>>
>>How were the backside of bumpers finished by VW in Germany?
>>
>>Gary "Frito" - '69 Variant, FI, MT
>>Rockport, TX (winter)
>>Lake Geneva, WI (summer)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:21:13 +0100
> From: "Dave Hall" <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
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> The later backs (insides) are painted with aluminium paint, like the wheels.
>
> I think the earlier ones may be unpolished chrome plating, but I've not seen
> one for so long I may have that wrong.
>
> Dave.
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
> ===================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Gary
> Forsmo
> Sent: 10 July 2012 17:47
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
>
> That was supposed to be bumpers, not numbers. :O
>
> Those were the ones you had so much trouble with right? I was just wanting
> to know how they turned out, as they look good in the pics. You sent them to
> Tennessee to be done right?
>
> I'm only asking, because I'm looking at having my T-34 bumpers done.
>
> Bob 65 Notch  S with sunroof and IRS (Krusty)
> 64 T-34 Ghia  (Wolfie)
>
> To ask a similar question, as Bob did ...
>
> After a quick install of my front bumper, before the "custom" towing base
> plate was bolted up to the axle beam, I realized that having it stored in a
> garage attic and barn for 20+ years didn't do the chrome any favors.
>
> The '69 Square being towed from Wisconsin to Colorado Springs and back, went
> fine.  But the chrome REALLY needs to be redone.  It's pretty ugly, at
> present.
>
> Does anybody have good "re-chrome" source?  I'm willing to send them off if
> the quality is 1) affordable and 2) produces good results.
>
> I used to have a sign hanging in my office.  It was a triangle with words at
> each point.  The words were: Good; Fast; Cheap.
> Below it said: PICK ANY TWO!
>
> The message was clear.  Anything could be done:
> Good & Fast ... but it won't be cheap.
> Fast & Cheap ... but it won't be good.
> Good & Cheap ... but it won't be fast.
>
> Good chrome shop?  Anyone?
>
> How were the backside of bumpers finished by VW in Germany?
>
> Gary "Frito" - '69 Variant, FI, MT
> Rockport, TX (winter)
> Lake Geneva, WI (summer)
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:23:30 -0500
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
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> On 10 Jul 2012 at 11:46, Gary Forsmo wrote:
>
>> How were the backside of bumpers finished by VW in Germany?
>
> In plating parlance, chrome has poor "throw." That is, it doesn't
> plate well into holes, cavities, or inside corners. Think of places
> where the electric field (while plating) would be small.
>
> Decorative chrome is always a 3 layer operation: copper, nickel,
> chrome. Copper and nickel have good throw, so they would get
> deposited everywhere, but the chrome would be light or non-existant
> inside the backside of a bumper, unless you made specially shaped
> anodes to fit in that space.
>
> Since there's no reason to force the plating in there, I don't think
> VW did. Like Dave, all the ones I remember looking at were painted
> silver inside. Under that was probably the copper and nickel, with a
> bit of chrome in places. You can see this peeling up on old bumpers,
> but it's hard to tell what it was.
>
> When I "restore" an old bumper, I just wire brush it inside and paint
> it there with something equivalent to Rustoleum silver paint.
>
> --
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:49:25 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bobsnotch at aol.com
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Pictures of the Eggcrate with the Body done
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>
> In a message dated 7/10/2012 1:08:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rcrogers1 at peoplepc.com writes:
>
> I have  had two sets of T3 bumpers re-chromed with excellent results.  I'm
> in the  Kansas City area, but I am happy to send you the contact
> information:
> Keystone
> 555 River Park Rd.
> Kansas City, MO   6615
> 800-530-5836
>
> chclark at lkqcorp.com
> (816) 921 8929 ext. 4227
> ________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> Bob, do you know IF they do triple chrome? I'm only asking, because that's
> what VW used, and it's getting harder to find those shops.
>
> Bob 65 Notch  S with sunroof and IRS (Krusty)
> 64 T-34 Ghia  (Wolfie)
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> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:53:24 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Bobsnotch at aol.com
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> In a message dated 7/10/2012 3:23:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jadney at vwtype3.org writes:
>
> Since  there's no reason to force the plating in there, I don't think
> VW did.  Like Dave, all the ones I remember looking at were painted
> silver inside.  Under that was probably the copper and nickel, with a
> bit of chrome in  places. You can see this peeling up on old bumpers,
> but it's hard to tell  what it was.
>
> When I "restore" an old bumper, I just wire brush it  inside and paint
> it there with something equivalent to Rustoleum silver  paint.
>
>
>
>
> Even the early cars were like this Jim. I think VW did that, just because
> the chrome layer on the inside really didn't show, and the paint made the
> finish  there more consistant. Even my T-34 is like that.
>
> I was just remembering the issues Keith had with the Chicago shop, and was
> wondering if the TN shop was more up to his satisfaction. We all know how
> Keith  can get picky about some things. ;-)
>
> Bob 65 Notch  S with sunroof and IRS (Krusty)
> 64 T-34 Ghia  (Wolfie)
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-- 
Love,
Bev & Gary

Gary "Frito" - '69 Variant, FI, MT
Rockport, TX (winter)
Lake Geneva, WI (summer)