[T3] 73 sqr, electrical

Henry bthwaite at gmail.com
Wed Aug 28 15:25:15 PDT 2013


Accidently let throttle body slip and touch elec connection on carbs....sparked..engine stopped, then smoke came from area around steering wheel...what did I do?

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Today's Topics:

   1. Pressure Sensor & throttle switch for '73 FI (Gregory Cox)
   2. Re: Pressure Sensor & throttle switch for '73 FI (Jim Adney)
   3. Rough running 71 (Keith Park)
   4. Re: Rough running 71 (B Fye)
   5. Subject: Re:  Mechanic in town (Marion McDonald)
   6. Re: Rough running 71 (Keith Park)
   7. Re: Rough running 71 (Jim Adney)
   8. Re: Rough running 71 (Jim Adney)
   9. Re: Rough running 71 (B Fye)
  10. Re: Subject: Re:  Mechanic in town (Tony Rodriguez)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 16:00:02 -0500
From: Gregory Cox <gregorycox1 at me.com>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: [T3] Pressure Sensor & throttle switch for '73 FI
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Any suggestions on where to find a pressure sensor and throttle switch for my '73FI MT Squareback? The Bosch part # on the pressure sensor is 0280100007. Does anyone have the VW #?

Thanks!




Thanks and Best Regards,

Greg

Gregory Cox
Huntsville, AL 
1973 Squareback FI MT "G2"









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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 17:15:13 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Pressure Sensor & throttle switch for '73 FI
Message-ID: <521D24F1.26062.200960B at jadney.vwtype3.org>
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On 27 Aug 2013 at 16:00, Gregory Cox wrote:

> Any suggestions on where to find a pressure sensor and throttle switch
> for my '73FI MT Squareback? The Bosch part # on the pressure sensor is
> 0280100007. Does anyone have the VW #? 

I have both of those parts, but the pressure sensors very seldom go 
bad. OTOH, the 007 number you have is for '70-1 and is a completely 
different beast. You want numbers that are consistent for a given 
year of FI. If your '73 actually has been switched to a '71 FI 
system, then the numbers below will be wrong.

The '70-1 TVS has 4 terminals. The one for '72-3 has 5.

The '73 numbers are:

Pressure sensor: 311 906 021 E / 0 280 100 116

Throttle valve switch: 311 906 111E / 0 280 120 024

I have good used pressure sensors and both NOS and good used throttle 
valve switches. There were actually several different versions of the 
'72-3 TVS, so there are a couple different Bosch numbers.

I'll send you my instructions for adjusting the TVS, since the 
Bentley gets this wrong. The different TVS part numbers are called 
out in there.

-- 
*******************************
Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:32:19 -0400
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: [T3] Rough running 71
Message-ID: <CC3A7260BCA24B69BC9D13CB7ABEAA88 at NORM>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Well, some days are better than others but the C/D Djet version has always
had an issue with light throttle around 1900 RPM but my 71 is slowly getting
worse around there, its missing under light throttle from about 1800 to 2500
these days, getting better with higher RPM but at around 2000 its getting
pretty bad.

Ive checked over the ignition, timing, TPS, changed out the brain a while
back due to the fuel pump transistor, nothing at fault. FP is rock steady at
30, and I did a full tune up last fall and that didn't change anything
including cleaning the trigger points.  Im starting to think it's the
ethanol.

IT feels just like the carbbed cars did before I increased the idle jets,
but unlike the carbbed cars the gas mileage is if anything, a bit low.  I
did tweak the mixture a bit leaner but that didn't change it.

I pulled the right side injectors thinking of a plugged one but they looked
fine, need to pull the left but it's a pain so I haven't done that yet
Idle is smooth, runs great on the highway, pulls the boat fine.  Im tempted
to put the E version back on but this engine probably isn't going to last
too much longer

Anyone else with a C/D FI having trouble with the Summer blend gas in the
Northeast?

Keith


HEY. was that a SQUAREBACK  in the Ad for Top Gear next Tuesday???  Did I
see that right????

Keith


Top Notch Restorations
topnotch at nycap.rr.com 
http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
71 Squareback "Hothe"
65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
87 golf "Winterat"
93 RX7 "Redstur"





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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:39:26 -0700
From: B Fye <bfye at canyonville.net>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Rough running 71
Message-ID: <079B4059-A673-4181-901E-3B7B42843B4A at canyonville.net>
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I may be an idiot with FI, but I thought you were supposed to be at 32psi...

Brian Fye

On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, some days are better than others but the C/D Djet version has always
> had an issue with light throttle around 1900 RPM but my 71 is slowly getting
> worse around there, its missing under light throttle from about 1800 to 2500
> these days, getting better with higher RPM but at around 2000 its getting
> pretty bad.
> 
> Ive checked over the ignition, timing, TPS, changed out the brain a while
> back due to the fuel pump transistor, nothing at fault. FP is rock steady at
> 30, and I did a full tune up last fall and that didn't change anything
> including cleaning the trigger points.  Im starting to think it's the
> ethanol.
> 
> IT feels just like the carbbed cars did before I increased the idle jets,
> but unlike the carbbed cars the gas mileage is if anything, a bit low.  I
> did tweak the mixture a bit leaner but that didn't change it.
> 
> I pulled the right side injectors thinking of a plugged one but they looked
> fine, need to pull the left but it's a pain so I haven't done that yet
> Idle is smooth, runs great on the highway, pulls the boat fine.  Im tempted
> to put the E version back on but this engine probably isn't going to last
> too much longer
> 
> Anyone else with a C/D FI having trouble with the Summer blend gas in the
> Northeast?
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> HEY. was that a SQUAREBACK  in the Ad for Top Gear next Tuesday???  Did I
> see that right????
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com 
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:43:13 -0400
From: "Marion McDonald" <mmmpwm at bellsouth.net>
To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: [T3] Subject: Re:  Mechanic in town
Message-ID: <F920B05E67114988924E8327A3B1B414 at marion89a3da60>
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Tony,

As Dennis said, I have been out of pocket for a couple of days, and as Jim
said, it is time for me to chime in.

I am involved with a local VW group.  Besides me, there are three other T3
guys in the group.  We meet every Thursday at a local restaurant near
Lawrenceville.  We usually have 20 to 30 persons attend.  There is one
mechanic who attends regularly and many of the persons who attend have a
network of individuals in the area that they deal with.  You should be able
to get some good information from this crowd.

We would love to see your car.  You are certainly welcome to attend our
Thursday meetings.  We also have Tech days at different attendee's houses,
and we have regular cruises to car shows.  If you are interested in meeting
with us, just let me know and I can give you the details.  You are also
welcome to come by my house one evening if that is more convenient for you.

I have been using the same mechanic for 25 years who has a shop in Norcross.
He is heavy into Porsche 356 vehicles and his business has evolved over the
years (basically because of the internet) to working on high dollar 356s
from all over the country.  He is a one man shop and he has so much of this
restoration work that he no longer operates as a repair shop.  I am his only
T3 customer and he still deals with me because we are friends and I have
known him so long.

I hope you are considering attending the Invasion next year.  I already have
a couple of local guys who are going to caravan with me from the Atlanta
area.

Marion McDonald
Lawrenceville, Ga.
678-377-8172
mmmpwm at bellsouth.net 


From: tonyerod at live.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 11:31:02 -0400
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] Mechanic in town
> 
> Hey guys, 
> 
> 
>      I just moved from Santa Barbara California to Atlanta Georgia.
Wow!!things are different here. I wanted to know if anyone out there knew of
a good Aircooled mechanic near downtown Atlanta. I have a 72 Squareback and
I don't want just anybody working on it. I live in Midtown and don't want to
have to drive to far for service. I'm looking for a good referral. 
> 
> Thanks you in advance for any help, 
> 
> Tony Rodriguez
> 72 Squareback



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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:11:25 -0400
From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Rough running 71
Message-ID: <0325BA1474344F86996702525BE99871 at NORM>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

I *think* mine is supposed to be 29, but I set it up with the AFR at 30 way
back when I put the OEM 71 system back on it.

Keith


Top Notch Restorations
topnotch at nycap.rr.com 
http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
71 Squareback "Hothe"
65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
87 golf "Winterat"
93 RX7 "Redstur"


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From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
[mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of B Fye
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:39 PM
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Rough running 71

I may be an idiot with FI, but I thought you were supposed to be at 32psi...

Brian Fye

On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, some days are better than others but the C/D Djet version has always
> had an issue with light throttle around 1900 RPM but my 71 is slowly
getting
> worse around there, its missing under light throttle from about 1800 to
2500
> these days, getting better with higher RPM but at around 2000 its getting
> pretty bad.
> 
> Ive checked over the ignition, timing, TPS, changed out the brain a while
> back due to the fuel pump transistor, nothing at fault. FP is rock steady
at
> 30, and I did a full tune up last fall and that didn't change anything
> including cleaning the trigger points.  Im starting to think it's the
> ethanol.
> 
> IT feels just like the carbbed cars did before I increased the idle jets,
> but unlike the carbbed cars the gas mileage is if anything, a bit low.  I
> did tweak the mixture a bit leaner but that didn't change it.
> 
> I pulled the right side injectors thinking of a plugged one but they
looked
> fine, need to pull the left but it's a pain so I haven't done that yet
> Idle is smooth, runs great on the highway, pulls the boat fine.  Im
tempted
> to put the E version back on but this engine probably isn't going to last
> too much longer
> 
> Anyone else with a C/D FI having trouble with the Summer blend gas in the
> Northeast?
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> HEY. was that a SQUAREBACK  in the Ad for Top Gear next Tuesday???  Did I
> see that right????
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com 
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:20:14 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Rough running 71
Message-ID: <521D6C6E.1186.317D5E6 at jadney.vwtype3.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On 27 Aug 2013 at 19:39, B Fye wrote:

> I may be an idiot with FI, but I thought you were supposed to be at 32psi...

28 psi for '68-9, ~30 for the later years.

Sounds like you may be thinking of the max advance.  ;-)

-- 
*******************************
Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
*******************************



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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 22:20:14 -0500
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Rough running 71
Message-ID: <521D6C6E.3809.317D673 at jadney.vwtype3.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On 27 Aug 2013 at 22:32, Keith Park wrote:

> Well, some days are better than others but the C/D Djet version has always
> had an issue with light throttle around 1900 RPM but my 71 is slowly getting
> worse around there, its missing under light throttle from about 1800 to 2500
> these days, getting better with higher RPM but at around 2000 its getting
> pretty bad.

Other things to check:

Charging system regulating voltage

Send me your trigger points to be reset, unless I've already rebuilt 
your distributor in the last few years.

Unplug the TVS and drive it that way. See if that gets rid of this 
problem (ignore, for the moment, other problems that you may notice.) 
If that makes this problem go away, clean the TVS contacts, but you 
may have to replace the TVS. I can send you my TVS testing and 
adjustment instructions if you want them.

-- 
*******************************
Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
Madison, Wisconsin, USA
*******************************



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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:59:48 -0700
From: B Fye <bfye at canyonville.net>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Rough running 71
Message-ID: <15747EB7-2F17-43B5-97BC-AFE59DCF3844 at canyonville.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

It it is the 10% eth then all of Idaho would have issues for 25+ years

Brian Fye

On Aug 27, 2013, at 7:32 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> Well, some days are better than others but the C/D Djet version has always
> had an issue with light throttle around 1900 RPM but my 71 is slowly getting
> worse around there, its missing under light throttle from about 1800 to 2500
> these days, getting better with higher RPM but at around 2000 its getting
> pretty bad.
> 
> Ive checked over the ignition, timing, TPS, changed out the brain a while
> back due to the fuel pump transistor, nothing at fault. FP is rock steady at
> 30, and I did a full tune up last fall and that didn't change anything
> including cleaning the trigger points.  Im starting to think it's the
> ethanol.
> 
> IT feels just like the carbbed cars did before I increased the idle jets,
> but unlike the carbbed cars the gas mileage is if anything, a bit low.  I
> did tweak the mixture a bit leaner but that didn't change it.
> 
> I pulled the right side injectors thinking of a plugged one but they looked
> fine, need to pull the left but it's a pain so I haven't done that yet
> Idle is smooth, runs great on the highway, pulls the boat fine.  Im tempted
> to put the E version back on but this engine probably isn't going to last
> too much longer
> 
> Anyone else with a C/D FI having trouble with the Summer blend gas in the
> Northeast?
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> HEY. was that a SQUAREBACK  in the Ad for Top Gear next Tuesday???  Did I
> see that right????
> 
> Keith
> 
> 
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com 
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:40:55 -0400
From: Tony Rodriguez <tonyerod at live.com>
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Cc: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Subject: Re:  Mechanic in town
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Marion, 

   I would be honored to attend your meetings and be involved with your group. I lived in Gwinnett county for many years after college( Auburn). 
    My car is not a trailor queen. I drive it every day to work. It has original patina. I like it just the way it is. 
     I also had a 356 guy working on my car, when I first got it. I enjoyed looking at the other cars he worked on. He was a bit pricey so I found a guy that worked on VWs only.
     Let me know where and what time you all meet on Thursdays. It will be a few weeks before I can start attending meetings. 

I look forward to meeting you and your group. 

Tony Rodriguez
73 Squareback 



Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2013, at 10:43 PM, "Marion McDonald" <mmmpwm at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Tony,
> 
> As Dennis said, I have been out of pocket for a couple of days, and as Jim
> said, it is time for me to chime in.
> 
> I am involved with a local VW group.  Besides me, there are three other T3
> guys in the group.  We meet every Thursday at a local restaurant near
> Lawrenceville.  We usually have 20 to 30 persons attend.  There is one
> mechanic who attends regularly and many of the persons who attend have a
> network of individuals in the area that they deal with.  You should be able
> to get some good information from this crowd.
> 
> We would love to see your car.  You are certainly welcome to attend our
> Thursday meetings.  We also have Tech days at different attendee's houses,
> and we have regular cruises to car shows.  If you are interested in meeting
> with us, just let me know and I can give you the details.  You are also
> welcome to come by my house one evening if that is more convenient for you.
> 
> I have been using the same mechanic for 25 years who has a shop in Norcross.
> He is heavy into Porsche 356 vehicles and his business has evolved over the
> years (basically because of the internet) to working on high dollar 356s
> from all over the country.  He is a one man shop and he has so much of this
> restoration work that he no longer operates as a repair shop.  I am his only
> T3 customer and he still deals with me because we are friends and I have
> 


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