[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 56, Issue 1
Fiesta Cranberry
fiestacranberry at gmail.com
Fri May 1 15:38:37 PDT 2015
Oh, and I've been running silicone in there for years.
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> 1. Re: Flexible steering coupler (Dave Hall)
> 2. Re: Flexible steering coupler (Keith Park)
> 3. brakes (Fiesta Cranberry)
> 4. Re: 1973 Fasty Back on the Road! (Phil Hof)
> 5. Re: brakes (Dave Hall)
> 6. Re: brakes (Jim Adney)
> 7. Re: type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 55, Issue 14 (Doug Brashear)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 01:11:08 +0100
> From: "Dave Hall" <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Flexible steering coupler
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> Thanks Bob - the body may have become feeble but the head is still OK then!
> It seemed that was probably a better way to go - might even do best with
> the
> spare wheel well out and stand in the hole with the car on the ground -
> easy
> enough to still turn the steering on gravel to get the required bolt at the
> top. Old cotter pins are hard to remove - I've had to do that on track-rod
> (tie-rod) ends. Maybe now stainless are common it would be better, but the
> mild steel ones always rusted in. I can't imagine how hard it was to drill
> through in that position
>
> Thanks for the warning on the coupler. I've two genuine NOS VW ones in my
> parts, not poor quality repros, and they are the rubber impregnated fabric
> with spacers. Some I've seen have something like rivets, and definitely
> are
> very inferior. I remember the one I changed decades ago was badly cracked,
> but the fabric was still holding things together.
>
> I guess the column housing may need disturbing to get a bit of clearance to
> remove the old and fit the new - we'll see.
>
> Dave
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
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> On Behalf Of Bobsnotch at aol.com
> Sent: 30 April 2015 18:04
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Flexible steering coupler
>
> In a message dated 4/30/15 11:23:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
> dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk writes:
>
> > Any tips on this job?
> >
> > BTW, the nuts and bolts are actually M8 but with 14mm heads and nyloc
> nuts,
> > and have Beetle part numbers. You learn something new every day.
>
> Dave, the best advice for replacing the coupler rubber, is to do it with
> the
> tank out. Yes, the back might complain, but you can get a better purchase
> on
> the nuts and bolts. Yes, what you've found is something I've run across
> myself. In fact on the early cars (thru 64) VW actually used castle nuts
> and
> cotter pins on those bolts. :O Same 14mm size though. Thought the small
> cotter pins were really out of place, but then that's 1 area you don't want
> anything coming loose. ;-) Also, make sure the coupler you get has the
> cloth
> inside it, as quite a few of these are now being made without it. And when
> they start to crack, they fail completely, leaving you with very little
> steering. Just a heads up, and I hope this helps.
> Bob</HTML>
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> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:22:47 -0400
> From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Flexible steering coupler
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> Yes, one of the ONLY 14mm on the T3 on the steering coupler!
> pull the tank, MUCH easier, and make sure the new one your using has the
> thread reinforcment in it, and not one that just has rubber as they tend to
> crack quickly and break completely. Id personally prefer a slightly
> cracked
> original with the tread in it than a new straight rubber one.
>
> Keiht
>
>
> Topnotch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
> 87 Golf "Winterat"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
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> On Behalf Of Dave Hall
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:15 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] Flexible steering coupler
>
> I doubt I've changed one of the rubber steering couplers in years, but the
> tester last year said it was slightly cracked, so I thought I'd better see
> to it before offering it up for this year's test. I had been putting it
> off, as I want to replace the rusting and much-patched wing (fender) that
> side and it seemed a good chance to work on both.
>
> It took a while to lift the front, support it, take off the wheel, and even
> longer to puzzle out the best way to undo the 4 bolts. They didn't seem to
> be 13mm or 15mm heads, hmm, maybe 14mm then - not very common on a Type 3,
> though the '59 Beetle had them everywhere. Access wasn't good either -
> the
> beam gets in the way, so does the steering column collapsible web. I
> didn't
> seem to have an extension that suited the job. Then there was the age
> factor - awkward angle to work at, not enough strength at arms length, a
> bit
> of a creaky shoulder etc. - just a few of the penalties of the passing
> years!
>
> What should have taken an hour left me so frustrated after a couple of
> hours, that I just nipped up the wheel bearing that the inspector had
> reported as having slight play and put things back. I'll probably remove
> the tank when I do the wing, along with some preventive maintenance - it's
> not very hard on a carbed car, and I suspect the little seal on the tank
> inlet pipe isn't sealing as well as it should. I assume working down from
> above will be easier - as long as the back doesn't complain instead! I
> think the horn wire link is high resistance, so I can renew or clean that
> as
> another benefit of the job.
>
> Any tips on this job?
>
> BTW, the nuts and bolts are actually M8 but with 14mm heads and nyloc nuts,
> and have Beetle part numbers. You learn something new every day.
>
> Dave.
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
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> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:01:48 -0700
> From: Fiesta Cranberry <fiestacranberry at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [T3] brakes
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> hi guys,
> I finally had the master cylinder replaced in The Baroness---it had
> completely given out on me.
>
> The brakes work now, but I'm noticing 2 things. First is a weird kind of
> "chatter" when I put my foot lightly on the brake pedal. It's like the
> pedal is fighting me, in a rapid, da da da da da da da kind of push up
> against my foot.
>
> The second is a soft scree scree scree coming from (I think) the passenger
> side back wheel. I notice it when I'm coasting. The brakes also seem to
> grab very quickly and hard.
>
> Is this normal? I've never noticed this before. I'm using a new guy, so I
> wanted to check in with you before I take it back.
>
> Lori and The Baroness, 71 SB AT
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> "I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say I've finally
> won out over it."
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> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 22:15:03 -0700
> From: Phil Hof <phil.hof at ostronic.org>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] 1973 Fasty Back on the Road!
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> Congrats on getting her back on the road and looking so sharp!
>
> Interesting that you have pop outs on a ?71 with the flow-through
> ventilation slots in the C-pillars. I had that mod done on mine while it
> was apart and without a headliner, and it is non-trivial to get it done
> right. Do you know how it was done on yours? Now that ISP West is
> reproducing quality pop out seals, they may become more desirable than ever
> before.
> -Phil
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 12:29:40 +0100
> From: "Dave Hall" <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] brakes
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> Hi Lori,
> Sounds like the friction surfaces are grabbing and releasing. If the
> master
> cylinder hasn't been working properly for a while, there may be a bit of
> surface rust. Are the discs shiny, or a bit rusty? That's more common in
> damp places than California, though. The rear drums can suffer the same.
> Sometimes chamfering the leading ends of the shoes helps. Were the pads or
> shoes renewed, or just the M/C? If so, they may take a little while to
> bed-in.
>
> Dave
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
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> On Behalf Of Fiesta Cranberry
> Sent: 01 May 2015 04:02
> To: VW list
> Subject: [T3] brakes
>
> hi guys,
> I finally had the master cylinder replaced in The Baroness---it had
> completely given out on me.
>
> The brakes work now, but I'm noticing 2 things. First is a weird kind of
> "chatter" when I put my foot lightly on the brake pedal. It's like the
> pedal is fighting me, in a rapid, da da da da da da da kind of push up
> against my foot.
>
> The second is a soft scree scree scree coming from (I think) the passenger
> side back wheel. I notice it when I'm coasting. The brakes also seem to
> grab very quickly and hard.
>
> Is this normal? I've never noticed this before. I'm using a new guy, so I
> wanted to check in with you before I take it back.
>
> Lori and The Baroness, 71 SB AT
>
> --
> "I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say I've finally
> won
> out over it."
> ---Elwood P. Dowd
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> Date: Fri, 01 May 2015 07:26:09 -0500
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] brakes
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> On 30 Apr 2015 at 20:01, Fiesta Cranberry wrote:
>
> > The brakes work now, but I'm noticing 2 things. First is a weird kind of
> > "chatter" when I put my foot lightly on the brake pedal. It's like the
> > pedal is fighting me, in a rapid, da da da da da da da kind of push up
> > against my foot.
>
> Not sure what this is, but I've experienced something similar with
> certain brake fluids that seem to lack lubricity, so that the seals
> in the MC seem to be sticking in the MC bore as they go down. I get a
> sort of stick-slip effect: stick-stick-stick...stick. Sort of a long
> scriiiiiiiich as I push the pedal down. It's as if things were
> "squeaky clean" inside the MC.
>
> The end result of this was that the MC seals wore out quickly (a
> couple of years) from the friction. The brake fluid that did this to
> me was Castrol LMA, which is normally considered a good product, but
> this problem went away when I switched to DOT-5 silicone brake fluid,
> which has excellent rubber to metal lubricity. The Castrol is a DOT-4
> fluid. A run of the mill DOT-3 fluid would probably also work better.
>
> > The second is a soft scree scree scree coming from (I think) the
> passenger
> > side back wheel. I notice it when I'm coasting. The brakes also seem to
> > grab very quickly and hard.
>
> It could be nothing, just some rust sticking up and touching the
> rotating drum, or it could be a sign that the brakes on one wheel are
> adjusted a tad too tight. There are also some small parts which hold
> the rear brake shoes in place against the brake backing plate.
> Sometimes when these get old, they come apart and fall to the bottom
> of the drum, where they slide and make noise. Those parts could
> probably just be left out, or they could be replaced if you can find
> Type 3 replacements. There's a spring, a pin, and a washer: two of
> each on each wheel. I think only the pin is Type 3 specific.
>
> --
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> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 13:45:05 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Doug Brashear <dougbrashear at yahoo.com>
> To: "type3-vwtype3.org at lists.vwtype3.org"
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> Subject: Re: [T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 55, Issue 14
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> J L said:
> > Very NICE Doug! Good to see another VA T3 on the road!
> > Since she's on the road Doug, are you going to make it to BUGOUT in
> > Petersburg VA this May? It's the 24th, Sunday. There's usually 2 BUGOUTS
> a
> > yr, but this year there's only one. I think the BU may return to it's
> home
> > next yr which is in Manassas VA.
> > I'll be there. It's be nice to see that slick green fasty at this yrs BU.
>
> Hey!
> Yes, I'm definitely going to be there but may be driving the bus instead.
> My youngest daughter is coming with me and depending on how the day goes we
> may camp overnight instead of heading back to NoVA same-day. If we do
> planning on doing it same-day, though, and I feel confident enough in the
> Fastback by then I'll try to bring it. 10 years of not being driven is a
> lot of confidence in its abilities that I have to restore, even despite all
> the work I've done. In particular I'm still fiddling with the brakes. After
> adjusting them they almost seem to have too much pedal. The brakes don't
> seem to drag, and definitely don't lock up, but the pedal action is a
> little different than what I remembered having. The whole brake system has
> been refreshed, though, so maybe it just needs to wear in.
> - Doug :-)
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