[T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations

Sat Sep 12 16:59:12 PDT 2015

looks like you made the right call in pulling it apart!

its unforgivable to miss the dowel pins and just leave it!  it does take
care to get them aligned but you sure will know on assembly if they are
wrong,   NEVER force anything on assy and you'd think shops would know that!

when you get new bearings, be sure to source them from a quality source
and fit them all to the case torqued before you assemble, pay careful
attention to #2 that the case closes around it properly

Keith

Topnotch Restorations
topnotch at nycap.rr.com
http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
71 Squareback  "Hothe"
65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
93 RX7  "Redstur"
87 Golf  "Winterat"

-----Original Message-----
From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
On Behalf Of Craigs List
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 5:30 PM
To: Type 3 List
Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations

Here is a short video of what we found as far as the bearings.

Watch "Crank damage" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/WXd46V02LLU

Nothing catastrophic, but it sure should have been. I'm surprised it lasted
as long as it did.

Adam
On Sep 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Craigs List" <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com> wrote:

> The verdict is in. The main bearings are trashed. #4 spun, somehow feel
> back into place, but there is a high spot that was catching and causing
> interference. You couldn't get the crank to spin in case once we split it
> apart.
>
> #1 (thrust) was installed wrong when rebuilt. When he put the case
> together he missed the dowel hole and crushed a second dowel hole next to
> the correct dowel hole. This caused a high spot in the bearing. Causing
> scarring and a nice gouge in the bearing face.
>
> We also found that #3 and #4 cylinder looked like oil was getting by and
> the jug of #3 scared from water sitting in the cylinder. So much for new
> jugs and cylinders as told top me in the sale.
>
> We caught it soon enough that everything is salvageable. I am talking the
> case and rotating assembly to a local vw shop to see if the case is ok. I
> think I will buy some new pistons and cylinders just to know they new and
> ready.
>
> I will put a link to some pictures on the samba after a bit.
>
> Adam
>
> On Sep 12, 2015 9:17 AM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > im skeptical you'll find anything, but then again, there are so many
poor
> > quality or defectiveparts on the market today it may be best to check,
> you
> > DO want to catch problems early with a fresh build.
> >
> > keith
> >
> > Topnotch Restorations
> > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:20 AM
> > To: Type 3 List
> > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > I don't have an oil pressure gauge. Any amount of metal in the oil is a
> bad
> > sign. We are going to drop the engine and crack the case today. I think
I
> > caught it before any major damage. Now it is time to fix it. I'll post
> > pictures.
> >
> > Adam
> > On Sep 11, 2015 10:05 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > ive seen much worse, whats your oil pressure after an hour on the road
> at
> > > 80F with 10W30?  that will tell about your bearing clearances and fit.
> > the
> > > hot oil pressure at idle is a good measure too.
> > >
> > > keith
> > >
> > >
> > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:49 PM
> > > To: Type 3 List
> > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > >
> > > If you look close you can see the sheen of ten types of metal
> shavings. It
> > > is not good.
> > >
> > > Adam
> > > On Sep 11, 2015 7:47 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > the only pictures i saw were of a little gunk on the sump plate,
> > > > thats not bad, you will always have some after a rebuild and that
> plate
> > > > can get nasty when you have 150K on it and it sits the winter with
> oil
> > > > that has a few miles on it.
> > > >
> > > > keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > > > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:03 PM
> > > > To: Type 3 List
> > > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > > >
> > > > Verdict is in. Not good.
> > > >
> > > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402299.jpg
> > > >
> > > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402300.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Looking for a short block now.
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > > On Sep 11, 2015 5:19 AM, "Craigs List" <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jim,
> > > > >
> > > > > The vent is good. The plumbing plug is only a 1/4" into the
> breather.
> > > It
> > > > > functions as it should.
> > > > >
> > > > > I will check the other things you mention tomorrow when I pull the
> > > > engine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > > > > On Sep 10, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Check to make sure you have a fuctioning crankcase breather. If
> your
> > > > >> plumbing plug in the breather box is in too far, it may have
> blocked
> > > > >> the vent. If you have no vent, pressure buildup in the case will
> push
> > > > >> oil out the back of the engine. Too much end play, or a loose #1
> main
> > > > >> bearing, can cause this, too.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Check the vent by trying to blow in the vent hose. You should be
> able
> > > > >> to tell the difference between blowing into a blocked off hose
and
> > > > >> into a sealed engine (or you can take of a valve cover and you'll
> be
> > > > >> blowing freely THRU the engine.)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Use a long screwdriver, with the blunt end stuck in one ear, to
> > > > >> listen to different parts of the engine. That should give you a
> > > > >> better idea of where the noise is coming from.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jim
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 10 Sep 2015 at 19:44, Craigs List wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Jim,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm going to follow your advice and pull the engine this
weekend
> > > > without
> > > > >> > the clutch. I fear that the endplay was not set right on
> rebuild.
> > > > Since
> > > > >> > purchasing the car, with less than 1100 miles on the rebuild,
it
> > has
> > > > >> slowly
> > > > >> > started leaking out of the rear main. Now I am about 5000 miles
> in
> > > and
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > crankcase noise is pretty bad. I still have the same power and
> > > > >> performance.
> > > > >> > Mileage has not suffered. I just think something is wrong.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Here is a video of the engine running yesterday.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > https://youtu.be/0v4wsBU4ih0
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > You can barely hear the exhaust over the sound of crank case
> noise.
> > > > The
> > > > >> > noise disappears at high RPMs. It is worst at idle.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I am going to trailer it to my parents house so that I can tear
> > into
> > > > it
> > > > >> > Saturday morning.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Adam
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On 10 Sep 2015 at 8:04, Craigs List wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > I should have the clutch sometime next week. I will drop
the
> > > > engine
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > > > switch it out the weekend after.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > When you get the engine out, be sure to check the crankshaft
> end
> > > > >> > > play, to make sure the #1 main bearing has not come loose and
> is
> > > > part
> > > > >> > > of the problem. Also, check for wear in the release bearing
> cross
> > > > >> > > shaft. I've probably seen more of those worn out than
pressure
> > > > >> > > plates.
> > > > >> > >
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