[T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations

Sat Sep 12 15:23:32 PDT 2015

When sold to me, he earned me that it was his first rebuild. It shows.

Adam
On Sep 12, 2015 5:17 PM, "Daniel K. Du Vall" <dduvall at 1peter4-10.org> wrote:

> Ouch!
> Would have to agree with whoever was in your background though.
> This builder did not have a clue what he was doing. Hope that the locked
> one did not score the crank.
>
> Daniel Du Vall
> http://1peter4-10.org
> http://volkswageninsanity.us
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Craigs List
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 4:30 PM
> To: Type 3 List <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
>
> Here is a short video of what we found as far as the bearings.
>
> Watch "Crank damage" on YouTube
> https://youtu.be/WXd46V02LLU
>
> Nothing catastrophic, but it sure should have been. I'm surprised it
> lasted as long as it did.
>
> Adam
> On Sep 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Craigs List" <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The verdict is in. The main bearings are trashed. #4 spun, somehow
> > feel back into place, but there is a high spot that was catching and
> > causing interference. You couldn't get the crank to spin in case once
> > we split it apart.
> >
> > #1 (thrust) was installed wrong when rebuilt. When he put the case
> > together he missed the dowel hole and crushed a second dowel hole next
> > to the correct dowel hole. This caused a high spot in the bearing.
> > Causing scarring and a nice gouge in the bearing face.
> >
> > We also found that #3 and #4 cylinder looked like oil was getting by
> > and the jug of #3 scared from water sitting in the cylinder. So much
> > for new jugs and cylinders as told top me in the sale.
> >
> > We caught it soon enough that everything is salvageable. I am talking
> > the case and rotating assembly to a local vw shop to see if the case
> > is ok. I think I will buy some new pistons and cylinders just to know
> > they new and ready.
> >
> > I will put a link to some pictures on the samba after a bit.
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2015 9:17 AM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > im skeptical you'll find anything, but then again, there are so many
> > > poor quality or defectiveparts on the market today it may be best to
> > > check,
> > you
> > > DO want to catch problems early with a fresh build.
> > >
> > > keith
> > >
> > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 7:20 AM
> > > To: Type 3 List
> > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > >
> > > Keith,
> > >
> > > I don't have an oil pressure gauge. Any amount of metal in the oil
> > > is a
> > bad
> > > sign. We are going to drop the engine and crack the case today. I
> > > think I caught it before any major damage. Now it is time to fix it.
> > > I'll post pictures.
> > >
> > > Adam
> > > On Sep 11, 2015 10:05 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ive seen much worse, whats your oil pressure after an hour on the
> > > > road
> > at
> > > > 80F with 10W30?  that will tell about your bearing clearances and
> fit.
> > > the
> > > > hot oil pressure at idle is a good measure too.
> > > >
> > > > keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > > > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:49 PM
> > > > To: Type 3 List
> > > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > > >
> > > > If you look close you can see the sheen of ten types of metal
> > shavings. It
> > > > is not good.
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > > On Sep 11, 2015 7:47 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > the only pictures i saw were of a little gunk on the sump plate,
> > > > > thats not bad, you will always have some after a rebuild and
> > > > > that
> > plate
> > > > > can get nasty when you have 150K on it and it sits the winter
> > > > > with
> > oil
> > > > > that has a few miles on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > keith
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Topnotch Restorations
> > > > > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > > > > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > > > > 71 Squareback  "Hothe"
> > > > > 65 Notchback  "El Baja Rojo"
> > > > > 93 RX7  "Redstur"
> > > > > 87 Golf  "Winterat"
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
> > > > > type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Craigs List
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 8:03 PM
> > > > > To: Type 3 List
> > > > > Subject: Re: [T3] Clutch Kit Recommendations
> > > > >
> > > > > Verdict is in. Not good.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402299.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1402300.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking for a short block now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam
> > > > > On Sep 11, 2015 5:19 AM, "Craigs List"
> > > > > <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jim,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The vent is good. The plumbing plug is only a 1/4" into the
> > breather.
> > > > It
> > > > > > functions as it should.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will check the other things you mention tomorrow when I pull
> > > > > > the
> > > > > engine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Adam
> > > > > > On Sep 10, 2015 10:22 PM, "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Check to make sure you have a fuctioning crankcase breather.
> > > > > >> If
> > your
> > > > > >> plumbing plug in the breather box is in too far, it may have
> > blocked
> > > > > >> the vent. If you have no vent, pressure buildup in the case
> > > > > >> will
> > push
> > > > > >> oil out the back of the engine. Too much end play, or a loose
> > > > > >> #1
> > main
> > > > > >> bearing, can cause this, too.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Check the vent by trying to blow in the vent hose. You should
> > > > > >> be
> > able
> > > > > >> to tell the difference between blowing into a blocked off
> > > > > >> hose and into a sealed engine (or you can take of a valve
> > > > > >> cover and you'll
> > be
> > > > > >> blowing freely THRU the engine.)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Use a long screwdriver, with the blunt end stuck in one ear,
> > > > > >> to listen to different parts of the engine. That should give
> > > > > >> you a better idea of where the noise is coming from.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Jim
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On 10 Sep 2015 at 19:44, Craigs List wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Jim,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I'm going to follow your advice and pull the engine this
> > > > > >> > weekend
> > > > > without
> > > > > >> > the clutch. I fear that the endplay was not set right on
> > rebuild.
> > > > > Since
> > > > > >> > purchasing the car, with less than 1100 miles on the
> > > > > >> > rebuild, it
> > > has
> > > > > >> slowly
> > > > > >> > started leaking out of the rear main. Now I am about 5000
> > > > > >> > miles
> > in
> > > > and
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > crankcase noise is pretty bad. I still have the same power
> > > > > >> > and
> > > > > >> performance.
> > > > > >> > Mileage has not suffered. I just think something is wrong.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Here is a video of the engine running yesterday.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > https://youtu.be/0v4wsBU4ih0
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > You can barely hear the exhaust over the sound of crank
> > > > > >> > case
> > noise.
> > > > > The
> > > > > >> > noise disappears at high RPMs. It is worst at idle.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I am going to trailer it to my parents house so that I can
> > > > > >> > tear
> > > into
> > > > > it
> > > > > >> > Saturday morning.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Adam
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Jim Adney
> > > > > >> > <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > On 10 Sep 2015 at 8:04, Craigs List wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > I should have the clutch sometime next week. I will
> > > > > >> > > > drop the
> > > > > engine
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > > > switch it out the weekend after.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > When you get the engine out, be sure to check the
> > > > > >> > > crankshaft
> > end
> > > > > >> > > play, to make sure the #1 main bearing has not come loose
> > > > > >> > > and
> > is
> > > > > part
> > > > > >> > > of the problem. Also, check for wear in the release
> > > > > >> > > bearing
> > cross
> > > > > >> > > shaft. I've probably seen more of those worn out than
> > > > > >> > > pressure plates.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > --
> > > > > >> > > ******************************* Jim Adney,
> > > > > >> > > jadney at vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> > > > > >> > > *******************************
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