[T3] cool weather idle hunt

[Keith Park]

If I recall right, I also have a brown ground wire under the relay, but is
that a system ground or a defogger ground?

My memory is defoggy....

Keith


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Subject: Re: [T3] cool weather idle hunt

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I seem to recall reading that one could even repurpose the rear window
defroster relay as an FI power relay which would seem to indicate that it's
a fairly standard 12V relay. But what do I know?

My ground wire goes from a female tab on the relay to a ring connector under
the relay and screw. The ring connector is what I was able to rotate on
account of the loose screw. Is there something to put under that screw to
make it grip better? I also wonder if anyone else has encountered a relay
that is bent too far toward the front of the car to get a screwdriver to the
ground screw without having to push the relay back down towards the floor
pan. I recall that from right when we got the car almost 5 years ago and
each time I touch the FI power relay I'm reminded of it. 


> On Jan 11, 2017, at 9:24 PM, William J <catnine09 at dslextreme.com> wrote:
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> Where these relays setup the same way on later models like a 73 ? I seem
to recall mine has a brown ground wire either mounted to the screw on the
relay mount tab not depending on the tab itself yet I could be wrong . I
need to look , perhaps if mine is loose or the relay contacts are not real
good it might explain my low MPG and what seems to act as a rich idle . I
know it's the original relay . I imagine one could use any 12 volt relay as
long as it's amp correct like many of the newer relays I have hear that Ford
used which were Bosch .
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>> that FI relay screw is a often forgotten weak spot that can leave you
hung,
>> I remember Russ getting a great deal on a car once because of that....
>> 
>> if its loose it can have a high resistance, that would effectively give
the
>> electronics a low system voltage, could be intermittent and have
different
>> effects over the warmup curve, not noticable as much at speed but way too
>> rich at idle.
>> 
>> Keith
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>> Well, we lifted up the back seat and found that all the connections
running
>> to/from the battery were okay. However, the ground screw for the FI power
>> relay was really loose and I was able to easily rotate the connector side
to
>> side. We started up the car and waited for the idle to come up. It
started
>> to hunt but when I moved the ground wire, it stopped. We turned the
engine
>> off, tightened up the ground screw, and went for a ride. For the first
time
>> in months, there was no hunt at cold idle at all!! We drove around for a
>> while with the lights on and there was no lope whatsoever but that's an
>> intermittent and can't be ruled out yet.
>> 
>> I'm reluctant to think that everything is fine, but that might be because
I
>> don't understand how a loose ground screw at the FI power relay would
cause
>> a hunt/lope at cold idle and an intermittent low lope and stall once warm
>> while having no other effect on drivability. Can someone enlighten me?
Was
>> my experience with stalling the car by plugging the AAR hose another red
>> herring?
>> 
>> Oh...I think this has been covered before, but why do I never get Bob's
>> messages directly to my inbox? I only see them if I go to the type3.org
>> archive or when someone quotes them. Is this a gmail/AOL thing?
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