[T3] notch seat belt anchor points

[Mike Fisher]

I love the '67 retractable lap belts in my '69 square & hate the shoulder
belt rubbing my neck in every other car!

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 11:07 AM Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:

> Those are some really interesting observations, Soren. I don't think VW
> was
> alone in putting shoulder belt anchors too low, but we still see them in
> convertables. I can't help wondering how THOSE are supposed to work. At
> least today they come together with lap belts.
>
> Jim
>
> On 4 Aug 2018 at 2:00, Soren Jacobsen wrote:
>
> > Ehh, I don't feel like my chances of surviving a bad accident in a 50+
> > year old VW would be too great even if that mount point were stronger.
> > They did at least use a thick reinforcement plate ;)
> >
> > I'm doing the pans on my 1965 Variant, which doesn't have mount points
> > in the heater channel.  I'll be adding some threaded reinforcement
> > plates to the floor pan, just like that horrible Beetle, only I'll put
> > them on the upright section of the pan.  Beats cutting open the heater
> > channel by the B pillar and trying to weld something to the inside.
> >
> > What really kills me with both type 1 and 3s prior to 1965 is the
> > location of the shoulder belt mount.  When VW introduced the shoulder
> > belt mount (1962 Bugs -- type 3s had them from the beginning), it was
> > super low, approximately level with the bottom of the side glass.  If
> > you're of average height or greater, the shoulder belt pivot point is
> > _below_ your shoulder, so the belt goes up and over your shoulder, then
> > back down to meet your hip by the tunnel of the car.  It's a real
> > ergonomic disaster, with the belt always falling off when you're driving
> > unless you keep it cinched down super tight.  You end up driving with a
> > jacked up left shoulder in an attempt to keep the belt in place.  A
> > retractable belt could help by providing slight tension at all times,
> > but those look bogus in an early car and the design is still lousy.
> >
> > In 1965, they moved the mount point a few inches higher, which was a
> > _huge_ improvement.  That previous seat mount point is so bad that if I
> > ever end up with another pre-1965 car, I'm going to stick with lap
> > belts only.  My left shoulder has had enough.
> >
> > Here's a picture of the horrible early mount location:
> >
> > https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/manuals/62t3ownersgerman/page12.jpg
> >
> > Soren
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