[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 112, Issue 1

Dave Hall dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk
Wed Jan 1 17:37:26 PST 2020


Thanks for the comment on the Club website, Steve.  I need to give credit to David from dbracing.org.uk for rejigging it from my home pages last year.  There's a lot more that needs adding, such as parts books and technical info, but I never seem to get round to starting on it, as it's a big job.

Dave,
UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club

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Have you guys ever thought of having a web site like the excellent one we have for the VW Type 3 & 4 Club in Great Britain, administered by Dave Hall ? It works a lot better than having to wade through all the emails on the system you are using !
Dave Hall. Thank you and please keep up the good work.
With reference to Type 3 Outer Window Scrapers you already have perfect replacements readily available from VW ISP West. I bought a pair for my Marina Blue Twin Carburettor Automatic Variant after the Body Off Resto 5 or 6 years ago. They are just fine. Regards, Steve 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Bosch plug wire question on coil wire . (Jim Adney)
  2. Re: Have another question on 73 T-3 front seat cable (Jim Adney)
  3. Re: Bosch plug wire question on coil wire . (Jim Adney)
  4. Re: Bosch plug wire question on coil wire . (Jeff C)
  5. Re: Have another question on 73 T-3 front seat cable
      (William Jahn)
  6. Re: Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
      (bobsnotch at aol.com)
  7. Re: Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire . (Dave Hall)
  8. Re: Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire . (Soren Jacobsen)
  9. Re: Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire . (Jim Adney)
  10. Re: Bosch plug wire question on coil wire . (Soren Jacobsen)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:55:26 -0600
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
Message-ID: <5E0BC3CE.16587.66C7618F at jadney.vwtype3.org>
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Now that you mention it, I believe I've seen quite a few single wire holders in white as late as '68 or later. I have to admit that this never rose to any significant level of my consciousness. When you say early cars, how early do you need to go to get white double wire holders?

Even the double holders in black have been hard to find for many years. VW started selling only the triple holders decades ago. Even those are probably NLA now.

Jim

On 31 Dec 2019 at 11:54, Soren Jacobsen wrote:

> > On Nov 14, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I've never seen white wire holders. Wonder where they came from.
> 
> From the factory!  I've never seen replacements in white, though, only black.
> 
> On early cars at least, all of the spark plug wire holders were white.  Bugs of the same era also used white wire holders as well.  You can see these white wire holders in various photos from the documentation of the time.  White holders are tough to find these days, but as an engine appearance snob, I've been hunting them down and hoarding them for a while.
> 
> Here are the single and double wire versions: 
> http://blef.org/vw/t3/whitesparkplugwireholders.jpg
> 
> Soren

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:55:26 -0600
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Have another question on 73 T-3 front seat cable
Message-ID: <5E0BC3CE.19719.66C76047 at jadney.vwtype3.org>
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On 31 Dec 2019 at 8:07, William Jahn wrote:

> There is a knob door side of the seat back purpose is to slid up allowing
> the seat back to tilt forward . The right works , the left does not move
> up enough and since I've had this car I need to use this knob and the back
> tilt knob in combination in order to simply to tilt the seat back forward
> .
> I looked at the right and see a cable with no tube drop down on the
> outside of the backs outer black  frame pivot arm that has a pivot bolt to
> seat back to the seat base . It works yet I don't think I should see the
> cable. One the left seat same deal except the cable is looped around the
> back of the same pivot bolt on the right the cable is not looped . The way
> it's looped around the back of the pivot bolt boss won't allow the cable
> release knob to move fully up on the side of the seat back.

It's been too many years for me to remember exactly how that release cable 
works, but it seems like you've answered your own question: Make the L 
seat a mirror image of the R and it will work the same. Taking the plastic 
pieces off the outside of both seats is a good way to start. Those late seats 
are an awful design, overcomplicated and weak. They don't hold up nearly 
as well as any of the earlier seats. The only good thing about them is that 
they share a lot of parts with Beetle seats of the same era, so parts that 
break are often still available.

CAUTION: I believe you'll have to pull off a knob that comes out thru those 
plastic side plates. That knob is held on its shaft by teeth on the shaft, so if 
you pull the knob with your fingers against the shaft as the knob slides off, 
those teeth will take serious bites out of your fingers. Don't let your fingers 
touch the shaft, or loop some heavy string behind the knob and let the teeth 
destroy that instead of your fingers.

What I can recall is that there's a short cable housing with an anchor tab in 
the middle. The cable itself has a spring in the middle. I bought a new one 
when I was rebuilding some of those seats, about 25 years ago. I had to take 
apart 4 seats to get enough good parts to make 2 good ones, and, in the 
end, I didn't need the cable that I had bought. It's still in the basement.

I may also have a good used cable, I'd have to check the box of seat parts 
that's in storage. But I'm pretty sure I can find that NOS cable assembly.

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 15:55:26 -0600
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
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On 31 Dec 2019 at 12:37, Jeff C wrote:

> White wire holders  would be a great candidate for 3D printing.
> I have access to a few types of printers.
> All that is needed is a good quality 3D scan and I can make reproductions.
> Jeff '67 Sqbk

That's a good thought for many of our small plastic bits of unobtanium. I 
wonder if outside door window scrapers could be done this way. Are there 
3D printer materials that are flexible?

What kind of scan are you talking about? It seems like it would need to be 
some sort of 3D scan, perhaps by laser.


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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:35:11 -0800
From: Jeff C <knowonelse at gmail.com>
To: T3 <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
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There are 3D printer materials that are flexible! Pretty cool stuff.
Yes, a laser scan is the usual process to generate a 3D image file.
I have access to a scanner as well.
Jeff '67 Sqbk

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:55 PM Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:

> On 31 Dec 2019 at 12:37, Jeff C wrote:
>
> > White wire holders  would be a great candidate for 3D printing.
> > I have access to a few types of printers.
> > All that is needed is a good quality 3D scan and I can make
> reproductions.
> > Jeff '67 Sqbk
>
> That's a good thought for many of our small plastic bits of unobtanium. I
> wonder if outside door window scrapers could be done this way. Are there
> 3D printer materials that are flexible?
>
> What kind of scan are you talking about? It seems like it would need to be
> some sort of 3D scan, perhaps by laser.
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 22:16:54 -0800
From: William Jahn <willjahn975 at gmail.com>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Have another question on 73 T-3 front seat cable
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Thanks Jim.

 I know I can still get the knobs , from what I've seen at least in the
photo's on JBugs and other sites they show a metal clip that secures the
knob like the seat for and aft wavy flat knobs. I know I removed the knobs
and cover and the side covers before I set them one at a time to get
recovered in the mid 90's I don't recall any metal clips. I did order the
plastic slides for the seat rails the rears are gone and the center ones
are there yet pretty worn. I don't move the seats much , only when I need
to work in the back like removing the battery or getting at all the other
relays and cables and wiring back there. In fact I haven't moved the
drivers seat in so long the pin was stuck so I cleaned and lubed it so I
could get at the regulator. I can see a spring above the knob looking
through the slot , I don't see any housing over the cables on either side,
perhaps since mine is a late model Feb 73 if I recall VW changed this, as
you know in the later years they  made many parts cheaper and perhaps used
what they had left since this was the last year. The car was only 12 years
old when I got it and I doubt the cables were changed . I think what
happened was the PO and I think there was only one owner before me had VW
seat covers pulled over the original ones and at that time got the cables
wrong. Every single stock part was there even the red card board cover over
the regulator is still there. The seats still had the hose hair yet it was
so bad if I sat to long I was sitting on a metal bar right at the very rear
of the seat cushion where the back joins.

 Some time later in the week I will pull the side panels and have a look ,
maybe there is some sort of cable slide sort of like used on self adjusting
drum brakes , it is a stranded cable. Or I can make something. I may need
to pull one back cover up enough to see if the cable should be on the
inside rather than showing .

 As long as it works like the right that's fine, I never noticed the cable
showing until I really looked the other day , I've never seen the frames
with the covers off. After all it's been like this since 85 and neither
cable has broken yet. The 72 parts car I had , had different seats I recall
a knob to recline and different release knobs to move the seats , I
remember because I liked the better yet they would not fit the 73 so it was
a early 72 . I young lady stopped by the shop I was working at in 85 and
asked how much I wanted for the seats I said take whatever you need , she
knew exactly how to remove them , impressed me.

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 1:55 PM Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org> wrote:

> On 31 Dec 2019 at 8:07, William Jahn wrote:
>
> > There is a knob door side of the seat back purpose is to slid up allowing
> > the seat back to tilt forward . The right works , the left does not move
> > up enough and since I've had this car I need to use this knob and the
> back
> > tilt knob in combination in order to simply to tilt the seat back forward
> > .
> > I looked at the right and see a cable with no tube drop down on the
> > outside of the backs outer black  frame pivot arm that has a pivot bolt
> to
> > seat back to the seat base . It works yet I don't think I should see the
> > cable. One the left seat same deal except the cable is looped around the
> > back of the same pivot bolt on the right the cable is not looped . The
> way
> > it's looped around the back of the pivot bolt boss won't allow the cable
> > release knob to move fully up on the side of the seat back.
>
> It's been too many years for me to remember exactly how that release cable
> works, but it seems like you've answered your own question: Make the L
> seat a mirror image of the R and it will work the same. Taking the plastic
> pieces off the outside of both seats is a good way to start. Those late
> seats
> are an awful design, overcomplicated and weak. They don't hold up nearly
> as well as any of the earlier seats. The only good thing about them is
> that
> they share a lot of parts with Beetle seats of the same era, so parts that
> break are often still available.
>
> CAUTION: I believe you'll have to pull off a knob that comes out thru
> those
> plastic side plates. That knob is held on its shaft by teeth on the shaft,
> so if
> you pull the knob with your fingers against the shaft as the knob slides
> off,
> those teeth will take serious bites out of your fingers. Don't let your
> fingers
> touch the shaft, or loop some heavy string behind the knob and let the
> teeth
> destroy that instead of your fingers.
>
> What I can recall is that there's a short cable housing with an anchor tab
> in
> the middle. The cable itself has a spring in the middle. I bought a new
> one
> when I was rebuilding some of those seats, about 25 years ago. I had to
> take
> apart 4 seats to get enough good parts to make 2 good ones, and, in the
> end, I didn't need the cable that I had bought. It's still in the basement.
>
> I may also have a good used cable, I'd have to check the box of seat parts
> that's in storage. But I'm pretty sure I can find that NOS cable assembly.
>
> --
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> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 17:51:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: bobsnotch at aol.com
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
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I would love to see a reproduction of the outer window scraper. I've been using 
bus inners to rebuild the outers, it leaves something to be desired, as the 
lower leg of the seal is too short in my opinion. If it weren't for the price, I'd 
use 65 on bug window scrapers and trim, and just drill out the rivets and just 
use the rubber pieces. Those fit much better, and look better installed. If we 
could just get the rubber piece only (like the bus inners), that would be great.
Bob


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From: Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [T3] Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
?I wonder if outside door window scrapers could be done this way. Are there 
3D printer materials that are flexible?

What kind of scan are you talking about? It seems like it would need to be 
some sort of 3D scan, perhaps by laser.


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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 18:06:02 +0000
From: Dave Hall <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
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I got some Bus outer rubbers years ago.  They were available new back then. Handy to have now, and I even know where I've put them!
Dave
UK VW Type 3 and 4 Club.

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From: "bobsnotch at aol.com" <bobsnotch at aol.com>
Sent: ?01/?01/?2020 17:51
To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .

I would love to see a reproduction of the outer window scraper. I've been using 
bus inners to rebuild the outers, it leaves something to be desired, as the 
lower leg of the seal is too short in my opinion. If it weren't for the price, I'd 
use 65 on bug window scrapers and trim, and just drill out the rivets and just 
use the rubber pieces. Those fit much better, and look better installed. If we 
could just get the rubber piece only (like the bus inners), that would be great.
Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Adney <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 <type3 at vwtype3.org>
Sent: Tue, Dec 31, 2019 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [T3] Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
?I wonder if outside door window scrapers could be done this way. Are there 
3D printer materials that are flexible?

What kind of scan are you talking about? It seems like it would need to be 
some sort of 3D scan, perhaps by laser.


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Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 11:14:30 -0800
From: Soren Jacobsen <snj at blef.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
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On 01/01 17:51, bobsnotch at aol.com wrote:
> I would love to see a reproduction of the outer window scraper.

Mario at T3HQ recently made a batch.  Haven't seen them in person
myself, so can't vouch for the quality/correctness.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2305932

Soren


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:59:44 -0600
From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Was Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
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On 1 Jan 2020 at 11:14, Soren Jacobsen wrote:

> On 01/01 17:51, bobsnotch at aol.com wrote:

> > I would love to see a reproduction of the outer window scraper.
> 
> Mario at T3HQ recently made a batch.  Haven't seen them in person
> myself, so can't vouch for the quality/correctness.
> 
> https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2305932

Looks like they should be good, but the price seems extreme. I should be 
able to come up with a used one that could be scanned, but the scan would 
need to be "fixed" afterwards, because the used one isn't perfect. It has 
probably also shrunk, so it would have to be scaled up a few percent.

Could all that be done?

Could this be done at a more affordable price? (Or is it my price sense that's 
out of whack?)

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 12:53:00 -0800
From: Soren Jacobsen <snj at blef.org>
To: type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] Bosch plug wire question on coil wire .
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On 12/31 15:55, Jim Adney wrote:
> Now that you mention it, I believe I've seen quite a few single wire
> holders in white as late as '68 or later. I have to admit that this
> never rose to any significant level of my consciousness. When you say
> early cars, how early do you need to go to get white double wire
> holders?

I can only say for sure that the white doubles were around as late as
1965.  I recently threw out some _very_ rusty head tin from a 1969
Squareback, and it had a white wire holder on it, so yeah, the singles
may have stayed white longer than the doubles.

If anyone needs a couple of the singles, I've got some NOS ones.

> Even the double holders in black have been hard to find for many
> years. VW started selling only the triple holders decades ago. Even
> those are probably NLA now.

I'm not surprised to hear VW discontinued them after all these years,
but it looks like there are some supposedly "OE quality" reproductions
out there if folks are desperate.  

Soren


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