[T3] Re/ Runs Great...but very hot...

[Brian Fye]

My 125,000 mile 1904cc engine disagees w/ that statement Keith.
Sorry, no thermostat in it.

On 6/20/11, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> Oh yea, a missing thermostat will dilute things even in the summer.  That
> thermostat is CRITICAL to proper warmup, remember... your warming the engine
> up to 220F from 70F or colder, so 20F or 70F doesn’t make much difference,
> it’s a huge warmup and needs to be done as quickly as possible, wiring the
> flaps open will not make it run any cooler, it will just make it warm up
> more slowly, and that causes considerable wear.
>
> Here in the Northeast, the engines wear out about twice as fast under normal
> use with no thermostat.
>
> Keith
>
>
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> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of J. Jonik
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 1:13 AM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Re/ Runs Great...but very hot...
>
> For decades now, when I put an engine together, I've eliminated the
> thermostat and have bolted, not just wired or screwed,  the two flaps in
> open position.  Philadelphia weather isn't the Yukon.
>
> Don't understand how gas-diluted oil wouldn't heat up engine....being that
> the gas would reduce the lubrication. No?
>
> Any tricks to be sure that IS gas in the oil?  Will it catch fire easily if
> I take some out and put a match to it?   But would plain oil do that as
> well?     Smell?...can't tell.   I'd need one of those Wine Sniffing experts
> or something.
>
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Re/ Runs Great...but very hot...
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> On 18 Jun 2011 at 23:14, J. Jonik wrote:
>
>> Ooops...forgot to mention that this 71 car has a 72 engine....with
>> compatible control box brain installed...and then replaced by another
>> 72-compatible "brain"? that seemed to eliminate most problems...along
>> with unplugging Air Dist Temp Sensor and Cold Start. ? Why did VW put
>> that Air Distributor Temp Sensor there if a car doesn't need it?
>> Something's wrong here.? But an "old head" VW mechanic said that Temp
>> Sensor doesn't do much. Others say it will add to fuel use. ?
>
> While it's true that this temp sensor doesn't do much, that doesn't
> mean that replacing it with an infinite resistor (open circuit) is a
> reasonable thing to do. That makes the FI think the incoming air is
> VERY cold, which I would expect would make the FI run a bit rich. I'm
> not actually sure of that.
>
>> ? Having had such cars since the late 70s, taking them to Mexico and
>> on 8000 mile zig zag cross country trips a bunch of times (with good
>> and bad results), I sort of know what "hot" is.?? When it's almost too
>> hot to touch metal near the engine area? before taking the lid
>> off....I worry....especially if it's only after about 10 miles in only
>> upper 70s temps.
>
> Have you checked your thermostat linkage? One somewhat easy thing to
> do would be to just feel under the rear of the engine when it's
> running and hot. You should feel a considerable stream of hot air
> blowing out. I can usually feel this on my ankles when I'm working at
> the back of the car while wearing shorts.
>
> Go ahead and just LOOK at the thermostat with a flashlight. Do this
> while the engine is cold and again when hot. You should see that it
> is taller when hot.
>
> The cooling air should all be pulled in from the side body  louvers,
> so the big bellows in back needs to be intact. If it's missing or
> torn, the engine will draw in hot air to cool itself. Once you have
> cool air coming in, it should not be allowed to escape until it's
> been pumped all the way from the top to the bottom of the engine.
> Does this engine have the little plates on each side of the engine
> that the SP wires pass thru on the way to the SPs? Does each SP
> connector have the little rubber airseal flap that closes off that
> opening?
>
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