[T3] News on The Baroness

brionsab brionsab at msn.com
Sat Sep 20 15:47:48 PDT 2014


Always a tough call. It makes sense economically to repair what you have. Do it right and it will last. Certainly at certain points of my life the decision was made to purchase a modern vehicle and use the classics as a secondary mode of transportation. Think long and hard. Go with your heart.

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From: Mike Fisher <fisherfarms at gmail.com>
Date:09/20/2014  4:26 PM  (GMT-06:00)
To: T3 List <type3 at vwtype3.org>
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Subject: Re: [T3] News on The Baroness

$500-$1000 with a bad engine.  Better to buy a rebuilt longblock installed
for $2000 and drive it.

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Fiesta Cranberry <fiestacranberry at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Just heard from the guy looking at The B.  Just like you guys said, he
> thinks it's the camshaft and/or lifters.  Here's what he said:
>
>
> I have some news… unfortunately it isn’t very good.   I checked the valve
> heights and performed a leak down test.  They looked pretty good.  Fairly
> consistent and were sealing very well.  There is a bit of height difference
> between the valve stems but that is pretty normal.  Some valve seats need
> to be cut more than others which makes the valves sit a bit deeper or
> shallower in the head.  What is apparent is that the lifters for the #1 and
> #3 exhaust valves sit closer to the center line of the case than the other
> lifters.  This means there is definitely an issue with the cam or lifters
> which requires a full tear down of the engine.  I am not exactly sure why
> this is, but I have seen new and reground cams with poor grind quality that
> results in damage to either the lobe or the lifter or both.
>
> You do have a couple options regarding a possible rebuild though.  It will
> be less expensive to buy a long block from a reasonable builder and install
> it rather than have me tear down your block and re-build.  Of course an
> inexpensive engine uses cheap parts that may lack in quality, but they do
> build a lot of them and they seem to run just fine.  I am friends with the
> machinist at Tassi Inc. and he would be sure to pay close attention to
> anything he built for me.  When I build an engine, even if re-using your
> pistons, cylinders and heads, I check everything..  Many hours of just
> measuring bore diameters, taper and round, checking deck heights, lapping
> cylinders, back cutting valves, crank and rod journal condition and size
> both in the case and on the forgings.  Regardless of which re-build option
> you choose, there will be some additional costs either way.  The rocker
> assemblies and push rods will need to be replaced with stock units, there
> may be some hoses, bolts, caps or seals that also need to be replaced.
>
> Purchased Long Block  around $1000.00
> Additional material, gaskets, oil, tune up budget $200.00
> R&R labor allow 12-16 hours if things go smoothly $800.00
>
> If I tear down your engine and rebuild you are looking at around 32-40
> hours of time $2000.00 plus materials
> Materials TBD, assume new bearings, crank, cam, rods.  New cam and lifters,
> reuse rods, crank and case (if they measure out), gasket kit.  Hone and
> re-ring cylinders, re-cut valves and seats..
>
> ​I think his prices are very reasonable.  I just need to think about all
> this.  Even if I go with a new longblock, it's still around $2000.  Being
> disabled, that's a lot of money for me.  OTOH, I've had The B. for 20
> years; the only car I've ever owned.  And probably the only one I ever will
> own, given my finances.  My only other option is to sell her, as is.  I
> still have the complete fuel injection system, along with a lot of other
> extra parts, even a spare door!  What do you think I could get for her in a
> non-working condition?
>
> What do you guys think?  I could really use some advice, taking in to
> consideration my economic condition.
>
> Lori & The Baroness, 71' SB, AT
>
>>
>
> --
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> won out over it."
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