[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 41, Issue 4

[Dan Zink]

I've had a 2300cc type 4 in my notch since...well let's see...ummm.

2004 ?

Never an issue.

It was a bolt in. Swingaxle car. I cut down a bus rear hanger and
fabricated some brackets (no cutting or welding on cars sheet metal). Got
the cooling fan intake adapter from a type 4 wagon to adapt to the type 3
air channels (if needed - there are plans on the samba to fabricate one out
of sheet metal if the type 4 adapters are unavailable).

really.....if you have a running engine...it's about a weekend job.

There are several people on list list have have been to shows with
me...never an issue. Head temps and oil temps run fine (as per my
"innacurate ?" VDO gauges)

Just to be clear. I have purchased from Jake Raby in the past. Have
actually been to his shop.

I talked to him at length when tuning the engine. He never tried to steer
me away from the install.

Just my .02

Dan




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>    1. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (Keith Park)
>    2. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (Adam Douglass)
>    3. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (Keith Park)
>    4. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (Adam Douglass)
>    5. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (Keith Park)
>    6. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (B Fye)
>    7. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (Brion Sabbatino)
>    8. Re: Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado) (Max Welton)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:19:27 -0500
> From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
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> Take it from my personal experience, don?t even BOTHER doing a T4
> conversion
> without going to a 2L or bigger, its an ENORMOUS amount of work and a HUGE
> Increase in cost for any build or maintenance, its VERY hard to get some T4
> parts.
>
> It?s a huge job just getting the T4 motor all fitted in there!
>
> Ive got a 2056 sitting in my garage because I converted back to the T3 5
> years ago... I may try it again but I would never go down this road from
> that start again...  and T4 engines will not pull enough cooling air thru
> the T3 intake system on the Squares and Fasty's.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Douglass
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:52 AM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
>
> After considering a full FI system for my Squareback, and realizing that I
> not longer had the right heads, I have decided to part with the engine. I
> am
> in the process of purchasing a 1.8, 914, type 4 to put in its place.
>
> Because of this I will be selling the engine in my car compete minus the
> fan
> shroud. I will need the shroud for the type 4 conversion.
>
> If you are interested, please follow the link to my ad on The Samba.??All
> information and pictures are in the ad. I will have youTube videos uploaded
> later this afternoon of cold start and idle.?
>
> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1593011
>
>
> Adam
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> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 16:57:12 -0800 (PST)
> From: Adam Douglass <one4house at yahoo.com>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
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> <Take it from my personal experience, don?t even BOTHER doing a T4
> conversion
> <without going to a 2L or bigger, its an ENORMOUS amount of work and a HUGE
> <Increase in cost for any build or maintenance, its VERY hard to get some
> T4
> <parts.
>
> These statements confuse me a bit. I have never heard anyone complain
> about the conversion. I have only ever heard praises.?
>
> I already have one part of it covered; 2.0 or bigger. The engine I am
> sourcing is a 1.8 bottom end with a 2.0 top end. Builders like the 1.8
> bottom because it is more robust. And the 2.0 top gives it the power it
> needs.?
>
> As far as cooling, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard say that they
> could not get one cooled. What did you do to get cooling on yours?
>
> The bellows conversion that I am using has worked for a few different
> people. It allows the type 4 to cool just like a type 3. People over at the
> shop talk forums sing the praises of the type 4 in a Square. Nate himself
> stated in his build thread:
>
> "Engine temps below 60mph seem to hover around 325-350F CHT and around
> 190-200F oil temp. Above at 70-80+ and in hard driving it can push 350-400F
> CHT and 205-225F oil temp.?"
>
> That is a pretty nice set of numbers if you ask me.
>
> As far as an "enormous amount of work", all you have to do is the bellows
> modification, modify a bus mustache bar to fit in the type 3 hanger or
> modify the hanger to work with a bus mustache bar, cut down some manifolds
> to make the Dellorto's fit under the lid, mount up some bus heater boxes
> and exhaust and swap to the correct type 4 flex plate.?
>
> I may have cut a lot of the work out because I have an automatic in my
> Squareback. Most of the complaints I have seen is getting the right clutch
> and pressure plate to work between type 3 standards and type 4 engines. All
> I have to do is get a type 4 flex plate. It is a direct bolt in because of
> the fact that type 3 and 4 used the same torque converter and automatic
> transmission.
>
> I am also lucky in the fact that I work for a manufacturing company that
> is proficient in welding and fabricating. This way I can take advantage of
> those with the skills I don't possess at a fraction of the cost. Always
> nice when you have laser cutting, tig and mig welding and a full array of
> equipment to help you along the way.
>
> I do have a few things to figure out still. I have to get the alternator
> wiring sorted out with a Type 2 voltage regulator. I have to decided on
> mechanical or electric fuel pump. I am also still on the fence as to what
> distributor I want to run. It is nice that I have plenty of time to figure
> this all out. I am also looking forward to having something that looks
> stock from the outside and is anything but stock under the hood. And not
> having to push it up the mountain passes will be nice too. ;)
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2014 5:19 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> Take it from my personal experience, don?t even BOTHER doing a T4
> conversion
> without going to a 2L or bigger, its an ENORMOUS amount of work and a HUGE
> Increase in cost for any build or maintenance, its VERY hard to get some T4
> parts.
>
> It?s a huge job just getting the T4 motor all fitted in there!
>
> Ive got a 2056 sitting in my garage because I converted back to the T3 5
> years ago... I may try it again but I would never go down this road from
> that start again...? and T4 engines will not pull enough cooling air thru
> the T3 intake system on the Squares and Fasty's.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Douglass
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:52 AM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
>
> After considering a full FI system for my Squareback, and realizing that I
> not longer had the right heads, I have decided to part with the engine. I
> am
> in the process of purchasing a 1.8, 914, type 4 to put in its place.
>
> Because of this I will be selling the engine in my car compete minus the
> fan
> shroud. I will need the shroud for the type 4 conversion.
>
> If you are interested, please follow the link to my ad on The Samba.??All
> information and pictures are in the ad. I will have youTube videos uploaded
> later this afternoon of cold start and idle.?
>
> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1593011
>
>
> Adam
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> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:48:59 -0500
> From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
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>
> These statements confuse me a bit. I have never heard anyone complain about
> the conversion. I have only ever heard praises.?
>
>
> How many people have done this and instrumented the engine properly? I
> Built
> a Raby engineered engine and he had NO other Squareback or Fastback
> customers at the time, they will run and drive seemingly well with oil at
> 245 but how long do you think that will last?
>
> I already have one part of it covered; 2.0 or bigger. The engine I am
> sourcing is a 1.8 bottom end with a 2.0 top end. Builders like the 1.8
> bottom because it is more robust. And the 2.0 top gives it the power it
> needs.?
>
> This is only true if your running the 2L heads (3 bolt) or the repro's that
> may be on the market these days from LN engineering.
>
> As far as cooling, you are the ONLY person I have ever heard say that they
> could not get one cooled. What did you do to get cooling on yours?
>
> I worked with Jake exhaustively and tried every mixture possible but on the
> highway I was running 245 oil temps, Heads were cool but not enough air
> flow
> for the oil.  The problem is that the T3 is a 2 stage fan, meant to work
> with no pressure from the intake, the T4 is a squirrel cage single stage,
> meant to work with forced flow on the highway.
>
> The bellows conversion that I am using has worked for a few different
> people. It allows the type 4 to cool just like a type 3. People over at the
> shop talk forums sing the praises of the type 4 in a Square. Nate himself
> stated in his build thread:
>
> "Engine temps below 60mph seem to hover around 325-350F CHT and around
> 190-200F oil temp. Above at 70-80+ and in hard driving it can push 350-400F
> CHT and 205-225F oil temp.?"
>
> At 70 I was running 245 (Calibrated) on the highway with a 2056 mild build,
> no matter what I did with the mixture or exhaust system.  In WHAT ABIENT
> temps were his numbers measured? WHERE were they measured?  HOW was the
> gauge calibrated?  All things that need to be documented.  225 Is too high
> on a cool day on the highway, just think what will happen when you cross
> the
> desert and its 110F out? 400F heads are too hot on the highway, 425 is
> where
> things start to go bad fast, again, what ambient temp were these measured?
> 325 is where I was running.
>
> That is a pretty nice set of numbers if you ask me.
>
> As far as an "enormous amount of work", all you have to do is the bellows
> modification, modify a bus mustache bar to fit in the type 3 hanger or
> modify the hanger to work with a bus mustache bar, cut down some manifolds
> to make the Dellorto's fit under the lid, mount up some bus heater boxes
> and
> exhaust and swap to the correct type 4 flex plate.?
>
> Don?t forget the charging system mod for the alternator, the modifications
> to get the throttle cable to work properly, the wiring mods, getting the
> stock Bus Tin to fit (it barely does)and the right combo of tin, SO much
> fiddling around!
>
> I may have cut a lot of the work out because I have an automatic in my
> Squareback. Most of the complaints I have seen is getting the right clutch
> and pressure plate to work between type 3 standards and type 4 engines. All
> I have to do is get a type 4 flex plate. It is a direct bolt in because of
> the fact that type 3 and 4 used the same torque converter and automatic
> transmission.
>
> This may be true, the stock IRS tranny wont take the torque, I went with a
> built freeway flyer.
>
> I am also lucky in the fact that I work for a manufacturing company that is
> proficient in welding and fabricating. This way I can take advantage of
> those with the skills I don't possess at a fraction of the cost. Always
> nice
> when you have laser cutting, tig and mig welding and a full array of
> equipment to help you along the way.
>
> This is a HUGE help.
>
> I do have a few things to figure out still. I have to get the alternator
> wiring sorted out with a Type 2 voltage regulator. I have to decided on
> mechanical or electric fuel pump. I am also still on the fence as to what
> distributor I want to run. It is nice that I have plenty of time to figure
> this all out. I am also looking forward to having something that looks
> stock
> from the outside and is anything but stock under the hood. And not having
> to
> push it up the mountain passes will be nice too. ;)
>
> For me, it wasn?t worth it!  my gas mileage also went into the toilet and
> the gas I needed to run was 92 octane.  I may still put the 2056 back in
> there WITH AN OIL COOLER as I have so much money tied up in it, and the
> hard
> work is done, its 11hrs to convert back (including tranny)but if we go over
> $4 a gallon again, Ill probably rebuild the T3.  Read thru the Aircooled
> Technology site, Jakes technical articles and also check out LN
> engineering... lots of stuff to know to prevent disasters.  T4 engines have
> lots of good things about them and lots of problems too, the problem is
> that
> the problems are much more expensive with the T4.  Keep in mind too, I want
> an engine that will go in there and last 150Kmi or more, with only valve
> jobs needed. I put a lot of miles on my car, mostly highway, and have heavy
> loads and things to tow.  The T3 engine will do that, albeit slower but
> much
> cheaper. The T4 will too but only if its built properly and you cant get
> many of the quality parts you need anymore at any price.  The new cam and
> lifters cost me $500 alone
> For the T4!
>
> Sorry... bringing back headaches of the past.....
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2014 5:19 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> Take it from my personal experience, don?t even BOTHER doing a T4
> conversion
> without going to a 2L or bigger, its an ENORMOUS amount of work and a HUGE
> Increase in cost for any build or maintenance, its VERY hard to get some T4
> parts.
>
> It?s a huge job just getting the T4 motor all fitted in there!
>
> Ive got a 2056 sitting in my garage because I converted back to the T3 5
> years ago... I may try it again but I would never go down this road from
> that start again...? and T4 engines will not pull enough cooling air thru
> the T3 intake system on the Squares and Fasty's.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Douglass
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:52 AM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
>
> After considering a full FI system for my Squareback, and realizing that I
> not longer had the right heads, I have decided to part with the engine. I
> am
> in the process of purchasing a 1.8, 914, type 4 to put in its place.
>
> Because of this I will be selling the engine in my car compete minus the
> fan
> shroud. I will need the shroud for the type 4 conversion.
>
> If you are interested, please follow the link to my ad on The Samba.??All
> information and pictures are in the ad. I will have youTube videos uploaded
> later this afternoon of cold start and idle.?
>
> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1593011
>
>
> Adam
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 17:56:03 -0800 (PST)
> From: Adam Douglass <one4house at yahoo.com>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
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> Hey, it is always nice to hear the dissenting opinion. If you only hear
> the good stuff you get blind to the bad stuff you should be looking out
> for. You just inspired me to keep an eye on things I never even considered.
> That I appreciate.
>
> I still can't wait to have the looks of a square with the power of a type
> 4. I don't want to peel out, but I do want to keep up the hills.
>
> Adam
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 21:07:46 -0500
> From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
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> Yes, learn from all the things I learned the hard way!  The thing is that
> people often throw and old cheaply built engine in there and it seems to
> run
> great, but it only lasts 30Kmi if that and the costs of rebuilding a T4 are
> astronomical now, iF you can get the parts.  You never hear the END story
> when the engine quits 3 years later.
>
> Jake Raby does T4 for a living and KNOWS all the pitfalls, he doesn't know
> everything especially T3 related but there is a lot to learn and a lot of
> it
> I had to learn independently.
>
> For instance, my lifters never rotated in the bore, WHY?  Nobody knows!
> Standard solid lifters, no case problems matched new lifters and cam....
> They didn't lunch but they wouldn't have lasted all that long... new cam
> and
> lifters  $500!
>
> You cant get the bearings for an align bored case anymore either...
>
> So many issues!  Read thru the archives if you can, I posted on a lot of
> this, I had the engine in there from 2009 - 2010 or so, should be in the
> archives.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Douglass
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 8:56 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
>
> Hey, it is always nice to hear the dissenting opinion. If you only hear the
> good stuff you get blind to the bad stuff you should be looking out for.
> You
> just inspired me to keep an eye on things I never even considered. That I
> appreciate.
>
> I still can't wait to have the looks of a square with the power of a type
> 4.
> I don't want to peel out, but I do want to keep up the hills.
>
> Adam
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 18:47:38 -0800
> From: B Fye <bfye at canyonville.net>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
> Message-ID: <AC50B303-716E-4BC6-9865-A7DAB4C2CBDA at canyonville.net>
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> Keith, I will say it again... I want that boat anchor for a project here!
>
> Brian Fye
>
> > On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:19 PM, "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > Take it from my personal experience, don?t even BOTHER doing a T4
> conversion
> > without going to a 2L or bigger, its an ENORMOUS amount of work and a
> HUGE
> > Increase in cost for any build or maintenance, its VERY hard to get some
> T4
> > parts.
> >
> > It?s a huge job just getting the T4 motor all fitted in there!
> >
> > Ive got a 2056 sitting in my garage because I converted back to the T3 5
> > years ago... I may try it again but I would never go down this road from
> > that start again...  and T4 engines will not pull enough cooling air thru
> > the T3 intake system on the Squares and Fasty's.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > Top Notch Restorations
> > topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> > http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> > 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> > 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> > 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> > 87 golf "Winterat"
> > 93 RX7 "Redstur"
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> > [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> > Douglass
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:52 AM
> > To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> > Subject: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
> >
> > After considering a full FI system for my Squareback, and realizing that
> I
> > not longer had the right heads, I have decided to part with the engine.
> I am
> > in the process of purchasing a 1.8, 914, type 4 to put in its place.
> >
> > Because of this I will be selling the engine in my car compete minus the
> fan
> > shroud. I will need the shroud for the type 4 conversion.
> >
> > If you are interested, please follow the link to my ad on The Samba.  All
> > information and pictures are in the ad. I will have youTube videos
> uploaded
> > later this afternoon of cold start and idle.
> >
> > http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1593011
> >
> >
> > Adam
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 03:23:29 +0000
> From: Brion Sabbatino <brionsab at msn.com>
> To: type3 <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
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> Bearings have been a real bear to locate for the past three years. Even
> finding good cases has become difficult. Someone out there must be hording
> all the NOS stock of bearings.
>
>
> Brion S aka zionbrion
>
> S. Utah
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Keith Park
> Sent: ?Monday?, ?February? ?3?, ?2014 ?7?:?07? ?PM
> To: type3
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, learn from all the things I learned the hard way!  The thing is that
> people often throw and old cheaply built engine in there and it seems to
> run
> great, but it only lasts 30Kmi if that and the costs of rebuilding a T4 are
> astronomical now, iF you can get the parts.  You never hear the END story
> when the engine quits 3 years later.
>
> Jake Raby does T4 for a living and KNOWS all the pitfalls, he doesn't know
> everything especially T3 related but there is a lot to learn and a lot of
> it
> I had to learn independently.
>
> For instance, my lifters never rotated in the bore, WHY?  Nobody knows!
> Standard solid lifters, no case problems matched new lifters and cam....
> They didn't lunch but they wouldn't have lasted all that long... new cam
> and
> lifters  $500!
>
> You cant get the bearings for an align bored case anymore either...
>
> So many issues!  Read thru the archives if you can, I posted on a lot of
> this, I had the engine in there from 2009 - 2010 or so, should be in the
> archives.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Top Notch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback "Hothe"
> 65 Notchback "El Baja Rojo"
> 65 Squareback "Eggcrate"
> 87 golf "Winterat"
> 93 RX7 "Redstur"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org
> [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> Douglass
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 8:56 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
>
> Hey, it is always nice to hear the dissenting opinion. If you only hear the
> good stuff you get blind to the bad stuff you should be looking out for.
> You
> just inspired me to keep an eye on things I never even considered. That I
> appreciate.
>
> I still can't wait to have the looks of a square with the power of a type
> 4.
> I don't want to peel out, but I do want to keep up the hills.
>
> Adam
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:39:44 -0800 (PST)
> From: Max Welton <max_welton_2k at yahoo.com>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
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> Bearings and cases for type 1/3 isn't a walk in the park these days either.
>
> Max Welton
> http://www.maxwelton2k.net/
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> On Mon, 2/3/14, Brion Sabbatino <brionsab at msn.com> wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: [T3] Turn Key Type 3 1600 For Sale (Colorado)
>  To: "type3" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
>  Date: Monday, February 3, 2014, 8:23 PM
>
>  Bearings have been a real bear to
>  locate for the past three years. Even finding good cases has
>  become difficult. Someone out there must be hording all the
>  NOS stock of bearings.
>
>
>  Brion S aka zionbrion
>
>
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