[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 57, Issue 24
ROSS G CLARKE
clarkeross28 at internode.on.net
Tue Jun 16 14:17:59 PDT 2015
Hello All,
I have an original muffler on my 1966 type 3 fastback and its still going strong! Not sure if its original.
When I purchased the car it came with a kombi 2 litre muffler and a connector kit to fit a type 3. Not sure if this alternative is available in the States. It might be worth a look and a bit of research.
Cheers,
Ross (From Australia)
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> 1. Re: Muffler (Jacob Adam Schroeder)
> 2. Re Muffler (J. Jonik)
> 3. Re: Re Muffler (Keith Park)
> 4. Re: Re Muffler (Craigs List)
> 5. Re: Re Muffler (Jim Adney)
> 6. Re: Re Muffler (Jim Adney)
> 7. Re: Re Muffler (Dave Hall)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:06:21 -0700
> From: Jacob Adam Schroeder <jacob.schroeder at gmail.com>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Muffler
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> On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 2:30 PM, J. Jonik <j_jonik at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> Still no luck finding a '72 muffler. But this situation will be a good
>> test of the durability of Muffler Patch Kits. So, far so good.
>> I don't need tail pipe, damper pipe or those heat exchanger duct
>> things...just the big tank part...the muffler.
>> Those heat exchanger come off ok (in my experience) with a special flat
>> wrench and a hammer to whack it loose. I have to borrow that wrench from
>> a mechanic friend.
>> Is it really the case that people with their super-restored cars hoard
>> extra mufflers? Or, where else do they get them?
>
>
> I, also, have a '72 and I acquired my NOS muffler 15 years ago in
> anticipation of the rebuild I finished this past year. I agree that good
> ones are hard to find. I do not have any spares now and only have the OTT
> exhaust I got from ISP West which I was using on my car before the
> rebuild. It worked and certainly beat the 4-tip monstrosity I had on there
> previously, but I prefer the stock set up that I have now.
>
> Good luck on your search. Last year, I was able to find a complete engine
> and transmission from a '72 T3 in a junkyard in East Palo Alto. The
> records indicated that the car had 90,000 miles on it and it still had the
> heat exchangers (upper and lower), engine tin, and all FI components. My
> point of mentioning this is just to keep your eyes open because I never
> thought I would have stumbled upon a set like that last year, practically
> in my back yard too! Sadly, the muffler, of all the components, from that
> engine was damaged beyond repair.
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> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 02:16:58 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "J. Jonik" <j_jonik at yahoo.com>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: [T3] Re Muffler
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> I think measurements, or some parts compatibility check, or some confirmation by one who's already replaced a '72 with a '68, would be Almost as good as a photo.? Some here may know if a '68 muffler would replace a rusty '72.I don't remember, or know, what a header is yet but will look it up.
>
> Thanks....
>
> From: J L Stamey <jlstamey at gmail.com>
> To: type3-vwtype3.org at lists.vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3]? Muffler
> Message-ID:
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> John, I have a muffler and header fr a '68 that I will sell. Not sure if
> it'll fit or not. What's the diff between early and late muffs? I can take
> a pic if need be.
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 21:30:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "J. Jonik" <j_jonik at yahoo.com>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: [T3] Muffler
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> Still no luck finding a? '72 muffler.? But this situation will be a good
> test of the durability of Muffler Patch Kits.? So, far so good.
> I don't need tail pipe, damper pipe or those heat exchanger duct
> things...just the big tank part...the muffler.
> Those heat exchanger come off ok (in my experience) with a special flat
> wrench? and a hammer to whack it loose.? I have to borrow that wrench from
> a mechanic friend.
> Is it really the case that people with their super-restored cars hoard
> extra mufflers?? Or, where else do they get them?? Or are they replaced by
> welders using mufflers that will fit...with the modifications?
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:33:32 -0400
> From: "Keith Park" <topnotch at nycap.rr.com>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Re Muffler
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> all 66 and up mufflers will fit, you just need the matching tail pipe,
> 2 piece for the pre 72 mufflers and the early mufflers have a
> smaller outlet and wont breath as well.
>
> Keith
>
>
> Topnotch Restorations
> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
> 71 Squareback ?Hothe?
> 65 Notchback ?El Baja Rojo?
> 93 RX7 ?Redstur?
> 87 Golf ?Winterat?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> On Behalf Of J. Jonik
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 10:17 PM
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3] Re Muffler
>
> I think measurements, or some parts compatibility check, or some
> confirmation by one who's already replaced a '72 with a '68, would be Almost
> as good as a photo.? Some here may know if a '68 muffler would replace a
> rusty '72.I don't remember, or know, what a header is yet but will look it
> up.
>
> Thanks....
>
> From: J L Stamey <jlstamey at gmail.com>
> To: type3-vwtype3.org at lists.vwtype3.org
> Subject: [T3]? Muffler
> Message-ID:
> ??? <CAGMtDwYV3Zr=5ur5KJC+_BrF=vgfFzWp-A4Vm9f9f4D9ZDwtoA at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> John, I have a muffler and header fr a '68 that I will sell. Not sure if
> it'll fit or not. What's the diff between early and late muffs? I can take
> a pic if need be.
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 21:30:16 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "J. Jonik" <j_jonik at yahoo.com>
> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: [T3] Muffler
> Message-ID:
> ? ? ? ? <843025780.3224427.1434317416639.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
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> Still no luck finding a? '72 muffler.? But this situation will be a good
> test of the durability of Muffler Patch Kits.? So, far so good.
> I don't need tail pipe, damper pipe or those heat exchanger duct
> things...just the big tank part...the muffler.
> Those heat exchanger come off ok (in my experience) with a special flat
> wrench? and a hammer to whack it loose.? I have to borrow that wrench from
> a mechanic friend.
> Is it really the case that people with their super-restored cars hoard
> extra mufflers?? Or, where else do they get them?? Or are they replaced by
> welders using mufflers that will fit...with the modifications?
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 21:35:21 -0500
> From: Craigs List <craigslistcsprings at gmail.com>
> To: Type 3 List <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Re Muffler
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> I'll put this here then. I know nothing about mufflers, but it looks to be
> real nice. :)
>
> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1778651
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:33 PM, Keith Park <topnotch at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> all 66 and up mufflers will fit, you just need the matching tail pipe,
>> 2 piece for the pre 72 mufflers and the early mufflers have a
>> smaller outlet and wont breath as well.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> Topnotch Restorations
>> topnotch at nycap.rr.com
>> http://www.a383ina68.addr.com/radiorest/main.htm
>> 71 Squareback ?Hothe?
>> 65 Notchback ?El Baja Rojo?
>> 93 RX7 ?Redstur?
>> 87 Golf ?Winterat?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:
>> type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
>> On Behalf Of J. Jonik
>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2015 10:17 PM
>> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
>> Subject: [T3] Re Muffler
>>
>> I think measurements, or some parts compatibility check, or some
>> confirmation by one who's already replaced a '72 with a '68, would be
>> Almost
>> as good as a photo. Some here may know if a '68 muffler would replace a
>> rusty '72.I don't remember, or know, what a header is yet but will look it
>> up.
>>
>> Thanks....
>>
>> From: J L Stamey <jlstamey at gmail.com>
>> To: type3-vwtype3.org at lists.vwtype3.org
>> Subject: [T3] Muffler
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAGMtDwYV3Zr=5ur5KJC+_BrF=vgfFzWp-A4Vm9f9f4D9ZDwtoA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> John, I have a muffler and header fr a '68 that I will sell. Not sure if
>> it'll fit or not. What's the diff between early and late muffs? I can take
>> a pic if need be.
>>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 21:30:16 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: "J. Jonik" <j_jonik at yahoo.com>
>> To: "type3 at vwtype3.org" <type3 at vwtype3.org>
>> Subject: [T3] Muffler
>> Message-ID:
>> <843025780.3224427.1434317416639.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Still no luck finding a? '72 muffler.? But this situation will be a good
>> test of the durability of Muffler Patch Kits.? So, far so good.
>> I don't need tail pipe, damper pipe or those heat exchanger duct
>> things...just the big tank part...the muffler.
>> Those heat exchanger come off ok (in my experience) with a special flat
>> wrench? and a hammer to whack it loose.? I have to borrow that wrench from
>> a mechanic friend.
>> Is it really the case that people with their super-restored cars hoard
>> extra mufflers?? Or, where else do they get them?? Or are they replaced by
>> welders using mufflers that will fit...with the modifications?
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:22:23 -0500
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Re Muffler
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> On 16 Jun 2015 at 2:16, J. Jonik wrote:
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>> I think measurements, or some parts compatibility check, or some
>> confirmation by one who's already replaced a '72 with a '68, would be
>> Almost as good as a photo.? Some here may know if a '68 muffler would
>> replace a rusty '72.I don't remember, or know, what a header is yet
>> but will look it up.
>
> Yes, a '68 exhaust system will fit on a '72, but you have to swap
> everything from the heat exchangers on back. You can't use the '72
> damper pipe on the '68 muffler.
>
> And, since he mentioned a muffler AND a header, we know that he's not
> talking about a stock style system. Anything with a header is
> aftermarket, and won't use the rear heat exchangers and won't be
> compatable with any of the other stock style parts.
>
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> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 22:22:23 -0500
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney at vwtype3.org>
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Re Muffler
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> On 15 Jun 2015 at 21:35, Craigs List wrote:
>
>> I'll put this here then. I know nothing about mufflers, but it looks to be
>> real nice. :)
>>
>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1778651
>
> That's a muffler for a VERY early car with the single side-draft
> carb. Note that it has the rear heat exchangers built in. For the
> right early car, it's the perfect find. But for a '72 FI car I
> wouldn't recommend it.
>
> I think I have one of these early mufflers in stock, too. I'd love to
> sell it, too. Not much demand for them, as there are very few single
> carb cars still around.
>
> --
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
> *******************************
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> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 13:12:04 +0100
> From: "Dave Hall" <dave at hallvw.clara.co.uk>
> To: <type3 at vwtype3.org>
> Subject: Re: [T3] Re Muffler
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> That will also fit the 1500 twin carb, just blank off the small pipe that
> pre-heats the manifold. There are quite a few of those cars around in other
> parts of the World, but they officially only started imports to the USA with
> the 1600 models in '66, though they had been trickling in from Canada and by
> personal imports. They are even rarer than the later mufflers, but the cars
> are probably rarer still! They would have been original for the egg-crate,
> eh Keith?
>
> Dave
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: type3-vwtype3.org [mailto:type3-vwtype3.org-bounces at lists.vwtype3.org]
> On Behalf Of Jim Adney
> Sent: 16 June 2015 04:22
> To: type3 at vwtype3.org
> Subject: Re: [T3] Re Muffler
>
> On 15 Jun 2015 at 21:35, Craigs List wrote:
>
>> I'll put this here then. I know nothing about mufflers, but it looks
>> to be real nice. :)
>>
>> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1778651
>
> That's a muffler for a VERY early car with the single side-draft carb. Note
> that it has the rear heat exchangers built in. For the right early car, it's
> the perfect find. But for a '72 FI car I wouldn't recommend it.
>
> I think I have one of these early mufflers in stock, too. I'd love to sell
> it, too. Not much demand for them, as there are very few single carb cars
> still around.
>
> --
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> Jim Adney, jadney at vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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