[T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 154, Issue 4

atirella atirella at hvc.rr.com
Fri Sep 8 18:51:52 PDT 2023 

Not sure if thus will reach the admin team, but beginning with the 1st message in this newsletter, and continuing right through to the end of the last message every word is followed by a question mark.  I think that's pretty strange and something that hasn't happened before.
Makes it hard to read.

Haven't checked my laptop or phone but this is on my Amazon Fire tablet.  You might be able to see it if you scroll down.

Al Tirella

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3 (Stephen Unsworth)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 21:09:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Stephen Unsworth <s.unsworth816 at btinternet.com>
To: type3-vwtype3.org at lists.vwtype3.org, Jim Adney
	<jadney at vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] type3-vwtype3.org Digest, Vol 154, Issue 3
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Yes.?Type?3?Twin?Carburettor?Models?were?available?in?probably?all?markets?except?the?USA?until?the?end?of?production?in?1973?1974.?My?October?1972?Type?3?Variant?is?a?1600A?Twin?Carburettor?Automatic?Transmission?Right?Hand?Drive?United?Kingdom?Model.?Don?t?know?who?ordered?it?New?from?a?U.K.?VW?Dealer?but?Automatic?Transmission?with?Automatic?Choke?Twin?Carburettors?is?a?terrible?combination?!?Fuel?Injected?Auto?Transmission?Models?are?great?by?comparison?!
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Today's?Topics:
???1.?69?Notchback?wiring?harness?(Jeff?Palmer)
???2.?Re:?69?Notchback?wiring?harness?(Jim?Adney)
???3.?Re:?Subframe?bushings?lubrication?(Jim?Adney)
???4.?Re:?69?Notchback?wiring?harness?(William?Hoyer)
???5.?Re:?69?Notchback?wiring?harness?(bobsnotch at aol.com)
???6.?Re:?69?Notchback?wiring?harness?(Larry?Thrasher)

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Message:?1
Date:?Wed,?6?Sep?2023?21:52:54?-0500
From:?Jeff?Palmer?<w.jeff.palmer at icloud.com>
To:?type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject:?[T3]?69?Notchback?wiring?harness
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The?Notchback?is?on?the?road?but?lots?of?work?remains!
I?have?the?odd?electrical?gremlin.?Random?blown?fuses.?At?what?point?do?you?replace?the?entire?harness??I?don?t?generally?replace?parts?randomly?but?does?wiring??wear?out???Is?this?preventative?maintenance?or?overkill?
My?69?is?fuel?injected?but?the?FI?harness?is?generally?not?included.?Were?69s?carbureted?in?some?markets?
Thanks
Jeff
Sent?from?my?iPhone
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Message:?2
Date:?Thu,?07?Sep?2023?12:23:30?-0500
From:?"Jim?Adney"?<jadney at vwtype3.org>
To:?type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject:?Re:?[T3]?69?Notchback?wiring?harness
Message-ID:?<64FA0712.25729.5661B07 at jadney.vwtype3.org>
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On?6?Sep?2023?at?21:52,?Jeff?Palmer?wrote:
> ?The?Notchback?is?on?the?road?but?lots?of?work?remains!
Congratulations!?I'm?sure?that?has?been?a?lot?of?work,?but?it's?rewarding?work.
> 
> ?I?have?the?odd?electrical?gremlin.?Random?blown?fuses.?At?what?point?do
> 
> ?you?replace?the?entire?harness??I?donTMt?generally?replace?parts?randomly
> ?but?does?wiring?wear?out???Is?this?preventative?maintenance?or
> ?overkill?
Old?wires?don't?"wear?out."?I?think?the?only?time?I?might?be?tempted?to?replace?
an?entire?harness?would?be?if?the?original?had?been?destroyed?in?a?fire.?Part?
of?the?problem?is?that?the?replacements?you?can?buy?are?"generic",?so?you?
won't?be?able?to?buy?an?exact?replacement?that?duplicates?all?the?original?
features?of?your?car.?By?the?time?you?get?everything?sorted?out,?you'd?have?
been?better?off?simply?troubleshooting?and?repairing?your?OE?harness.
> 
> ?My?69?is?fuel?injected?but?the?FI?harness?is?generally?not?included.?Were
> ?69s?carbureted?in?some?markets?
Most?'69?Notches?came?with?carbs.?There?are?very?few?FI?Notches?still?on?the?
road,?which?makes?this?worth?saving.?You?should?be?able?to?use?any?FI?
harness?from?any?FI?'68-9?Type?3.?They?are?out?there,?you?just?have?to?find?
the?right?junkyard.?I?probably?have?one?in?poor?condition,?which?could?get?
you?started.

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Message:?3
Date:?Thu,?07?Sep?2023?12:23:30?-0500
From:?"Jim?Adney"?<jadney at vwtype3.org>
To:?type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject:?Re:?[T3]?Subframe?bushings?lubrication
Message-ID:?<64FA0712.754.56619CF at jadney.vwtype3.org>
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The?OE?lubricant?is?most?likely?something?like?soap?or?soap?solution.?Any?
exposed?stuff?would?have?gotten?washed?away?decades?ago,?but?any?that?
was?sheltered?might?just?look?gummy.?It?might?be?interesting?to?test?it?to?see?if?
it?was?water?soluble.
On?6?Sep?2023?at?12:45,?Joe?Plowick?III?wrote:
> 
> ?Ok,?that?makes?sense.??The?bushing?sets?on?the?torsion?tube?and?at?the?top
> 
> ?of?the?shock?towers?had?its?lubrication?between?the?rubber?and?the?metal
> 
> ?sleeve?that?runs?between?the?top?and?bottom?bushing.??At?least?it?appeared
> 
> ?to?be?a?grease-type?substance.??Didn't?notice?anything?on?the?exterior?of
> 
> ?the?bushings,?but?that?would?be?gone?after?all?these?years?anyways.??I?had
> 
> ?thought?about?using?a?dry?graphite?lubricant?for?it?so?it?wouldn't?attract
> ?dirt.
> ?
> ?Joe?P.
> ?
> ?
> ?On?Wed,?Sep?6,?2023?at?12:23AM?<jadney at vwtype3.org>?wrote:
> ?
> 
> ?>?What?you?want?is?something?that?lubricates?long?enough?to?get?the?bushing
> ?>?installed,?but?that
> 
> ?>?then?dries?and?forces?the?rubber?to?"squirm"?internally?thereafter.?If?you
> ?>?give?it?a?nice?external
> ?>?lube,?it?will?slip?and?rub?and?wear.?You?don't?want?that.
> ?>
> ?>?Soap?and?water,?or?just?plain?liquid?soap,?usually?works?nicely.
> ?>
> ?>?--
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> ?>?Jim?Adney,?jadney at vwtype3.org
> ?>?Madison,?Wisconsin,?USA
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Message:?4
Date:?Thu,?7?Sep?2023?10:42:06?-0700
From:?William?Hoyer?<wjhoyer at gmail.com>
To:?Type?3?VW?Club?<type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject:?Re:?[T3]?69?Notchback?wiring?harness
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You?may?have?some?wires?that?have?open?(?not?insulated)?sections?that?bumps
cause?them?to?short?out.?A?friend?had?one?of?the?wires?to?the?carb?choke
fall?off?and?shorted?causing?the?entire?harness?to?the?rear?to?short?out?on
his?70?squareback.?Smoke?was?coming?out?from?under?the?dash?as?well?as
along?the?harness.?He?replaced?the?entire?harness,?back?&?front.?For?my?65
Notch?and?his?70?square?we?found?that?the?harness?from?ISP?West?were?very
good.
On?Thu,?Sep?7,?2023,?10:24?AM?Jim?Adney?<jadney at vwtype3.org>?wrote:
> ?On?6?Sep?2023?at?21:52,?Jeff?Palmer?wrote:
>
> ?>?The?Notchback?is?on?the?road?but?lots?of?work?remains!
>
> 
> ?Congratulations!?I'm?sure?that?has?been?a?lot?of?work,?but?it's?rewarding
> ?work.
>
> 
> ?>?I?have?the?odd?electrical?gremlin.?Random?blown?fuses.?At?what?point?do
> 
> ?>?you?replace?the?entire?harness??I?donTMt?generally?replace?parts?randomly
> ?>?but?does?wiring?wear?out???Is?this?preventative?maintenance?or
> ?>?overkill?
>
> 
> ?Old?wires?don't?"wear?out."?I?think?the?only?time?I?might?be?tempted?to
> ?replace
> 
> ?an?entire?harness?would?be?if?the?original?had?been?destroyed?in?a?fire.
> ?Part
> 
> ?of?the?problem?is?that?the?replacements?you?can?buy?are?"generic",?so?you
> 
> ?won't?be?able?to?buy?an?exact?replacement?that?duplicates?all?the?original
> 
> ?features?of?your?car.?By?the?time?you?get?everything?sorted?out,?you'd
> ?have
> ?been?better?off?simply?troubleshooting?and?repairing?your?OE?harness.
>
> 
> ?>?My?69?is?fuel?injected?but?the?FI?harness?is?generally?not?included.?Were
> ?>?69s?carbureted?in?some?markets?
>
> 
> ?Most?'69?Notches?came?with?carbs.?There?are?very?few?FI?Notches?still?on
> ?the
> ?road,?which?makes?this?worth?saving.?You?should?be?able?to?use?any?FI
> 
> ?harness?from?any?FI?'68-9?Type?3.?They?are?out?there,?you?just?have?to
> ?find
> 
> ?the?right?junkyard.?I?probably?have?one?in?poor?condition,?which?could?get
> ?you?started.
>
>
> ?--
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> ?Jim?Adney,?jadney at vwtype3.org
> ?Madison,?Wisconsin,?USA
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Date:?Thu,?7?Sep?2023?18:34:41?+0000?(UTC)
From:?"bobsnotch at aol.com"?<bobsnotch at aol.com>
To:?Type?3?VW?Club?<type3 at vwtype3.org>
Subject:?Re:?[T3]?69?Notchback?wiring?harness
Message-ID:?<1322991471.6450620.1694111681257 at mail.yahoo.com>
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?This?has?been?discussed?over?on?The?Samba?a?few?times,?as?the?wiring?harness?that?ISP?West?sells?is?for?non-FI?cars.?To?use?it?for?an?FI?car?one?would?need?to?add?3?wires?to?make?it?work?correctly.?Those?3?wires?are?to?power?up?the?FI?system.Bob?65?Notch?S?with?a?factory?Sunroof
????On?Thursday,?September?7,?2023?at?01:42:55?PM?EDT,?William?Hoyer?<wjhoyer at gmail.com>?wrote:??
?
?You?may?have?some?wires?that?have?open?(?not?insulated)?sections?that?bumps
cause?them?to?short?out.?A?friend?had?one?of?the?wires?to?the?carb?choke
fall?off?and?shorted?causing?the?entire?harness?to?the?rear?to?short?out?on
his?70?squareback.?Smoke?was?coming?out?from?under?the?dash?as?well?as
along?the?harness.?He?replaced?the?entire?harness,?back?&?front.?For?my?65
Notch?and?his?70?square?we?found?that?the?harness?from?ISP?West?were?very
good.

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Date:?Thu,?7?Sep?2023?19:50:43?+0000?(UTC)
From:?Larry?Thrasher?<larryt3162 at yahoo.com>
To:?type3 at vwtype3.org
Subject:?Re:?[T3]?69?Notchback?wiring?harness
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I?have?a?VW?NOS?Fi?harness,?but?I?think?it's?for?a?later?(C/D??)?computer.?I?have?at?least?one?other?FI?harness,?but?I'm?not?sure?what??year/?computer?version?it's?for.?
LT?
?
??On?Thu,?Sep?7,?2023?at?12:24?PM,?Jim?Adney<jadney at vwtype3.org>?wrote:???On?6?Sep?2023?at?21:52,?Jeff?Palmer?wrote:
> ?The?Notchback?is?on?the?road?but?lots?of?work?remains!
Congratulations!?I'm?sure?that?has?been?a?lot?of?work,?but?it's?rewarding?work.
> 
> ?I?have?the?odd?electrical?gremlin.?Random?blown?fuses.?At?what?point?do
> 
> ?you?replace?the?entire?harness??I?donTMt?generally?replace?parts?randomly
> ?but?does?wiring?wear?out???Is?this?preventative?maintenance?or
> ?overkill?
Old?wires?don't?"wear?out."?I?think?the?only?time?I?might?be?tempted?to?replace?
an?entire?harness?would?be?if?the?original?had?been?destroyed?in?a?fire.?Part?
of?the?problem?is?that?the?replacements?you?can?buy?are?"generic",?so?you?
won't?be?able?to?buy?an?exact?replacement?that?duplicates?all?the?original?
features?of?your?car.?By?the?time?you?get?everything?sorted?out,?you'd?have?
been?better?off?simply?troubleshooting?and?repairing?your?OE?harness.
> 
> ?My?69?is?fuel?injected?but?the?FI?harness?is?generally?not?included.?Were
> ?69s?carbureted?in?some?markets?
Most?'69?Notches?came?with?carbs.?There?are?very?few?FI?Notches?still?on?the?
road,?which?makes?this?worth?saving.?You?should?be?able?to?use?any?FI?
harness?from?any?FI?'68-9?Type?3.?They?are?out?there,?you?just?have?to?find?
the?right?junkyard.?I?probably?have?one?in?poor?condition,?which?could?get?
you?started.

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